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Post by theguvnor on Dec 13, 2023 14:55:01 GMT
Yes, Capote was an oddball. I read the book long after I watched movie and the book is a lot more to the point than the movie. Holly is damaged goods in both versions but in the book she's plainly very, very seriously damaged and why that occurs is left for the reader to decide.
I imagine Capote probably picked up bits and pieces from numerous people's personalities to make Holly as writers do. I find the movie version fun but dated as that stupid turn with Mickey Rooney is very silly. Especially as that character barely appears in the book. Mind you, not all Asians object. My friend's wife is Chinese and a huge fan of Audrey Hepburn and bases a lot of her style on her. She has the looks to pull it off as well.
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Post by theguvnor on Dec 28, 2023 17:08:05 GMT
I'm still watching this show out of fascination. Some of the plots are incredibly contrived. We have had an episode with Anne Marie running around scared of a mouse. I was thinking, 'Give me a break.' Even better was an episode where the Air Force wanted to make Anne Marie the face to use on recruitment posters and an Air Force pilot keeps flying her around in a fighter jet. Even in 1969, I would think viewers would be asking, 'Really?' The cost to fly her around would be tremendous and one of the conceits of the show is that she can never really succeed as an actress and suddenly she is part of a national campaign like that? I know why they did it because it was put out at the same time as the Lunar Landings and the plot line is that Anne will help recruit people who will become America's first women on the moon but even for 1969 it looks hilariously contrived. I'm strongly reminded of old Lois Lane comics of this era which also have plot lines of this kind.
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Post by homeschooldad on Dec 28, 2023 18:47:14 GMT
I'm still watching this show out of fascination. Some of the plots are incredibly contrived. We have had an episode with Anne Marie running around scared of a mouse. I was thinking, 'Give me a break.' Even better was an episode where the Air Force wanted to make Anne Marie the face to use on recruitment posters and an Air Force pilot keeps flying her around in a fighter jet. Even in 1969, I would think viewers would be asking, 'Really?' The cost to fly her around would be tremendous and one of the conceits of the show is that she can never really succeed as an actress and suddenly she is part of a national campaign like that? I know why they did it because it was put out at the same time as the Lunar Landings and the plot line is that Anne will help recruit people who will become America's first women on the moon but even for 1969 it looks hilariously contrived. I'm strongly reminded of old Lois Lane comics of this era which also have plot lines of this kind. Nobody is ever going to accuse TG of being terribly profound entertainment. It's just light comedy with a touch of artistic license, and as I said above, seems to have at least a snippet of the cinematic DNA of Breakfast at Tiffany's. Marlo Thomas was basically a nepo baby with a modest entertainment career of her own. She'll always be Ann Marie. |
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Post by theguvnor on Dec 28, 2023 19:03:16 GMT
I love how Ann manages to afford this rather large and lavish apartment. It's plain dad is paying for it in the show and hoping Ann will get tired of playing about at being an actress and marry her boyfriend. She's definitely as you say a nepo baby who benefit from her connected to Danny Thomas. She's good looking and moderately amusing and would have made a good Lois Lane it occurs to had she been the right age still in the late 70s for the Superman movie. My wife keeps watching because she trained to be a clothes designer originally and she finds the fashions interesting as she makes a lot of her own clothes still. She finds it fascinating in that regard.
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Post by tisbearself on Dec 28, 2023 20:21:49 GMT
One project she was very well-known for that hasn't been mentioned here yet is her "Free to Be...You and Me" album, TV special, and book for kids. I was too old to be interested in such stuff by the time it came out, plus I had a very independent mother and a father who made it clear he wanted/ expected me to have some high powered career, but I remember Marlo's "Free to Be" stuff being heavily promoted and available all over department stores at that time. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_to_Be..._You_and_Me |
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Post by homeschooldad on Dec 28, 2023 20:51:17 GMT
I love how Ann manages to afford this rather large and lavish apartment. It's plain dad is paying for it in the show and hoping Ann will get tired of playing about at being an actress and marry her boyfriend. She's definitely as you say a nepo baby who benefit from her connected to Danny Thomas. She's good looking and moderately amusing and would have made a good Lois Lane it occurs to had she been the right age still in the late 70s for the Superman movie. My wife keeps watching because she trained to be a clothes designer originally and she finds the fashions interesting as she makes a lot of her own clothes still. She finds it fascinating in that regard. Again, artistic license, the same way that the cohort on Friends manages to afford a lifestyle that would be highly, highly improbable in real life, unless one had a very high-paying job, which I am assuming none of the people in the show had. (I never watched the show, I am only vaguely familiar with the premise.) The scenario in The Unbreakable Kimmy Schmidt is more plausible, living in a tiny street-level apartment that is more of a basement (there's a name for that kind of apartment that escapes me just now) with an apparently gay male roommate who serves as a "protector" of sorts. Edited to add: it's called an "English basement", though whether they call it that in Manhattan, I don't know. |
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Post by homeschooldad on Dec 28, 2023 20:55:09 GMT
One project she was very well-known for that hasn't been mentioned here yet is her "Free to Be...You and Me" album, TV special, and book for kids. I was too old to be interested in such stuff by the time it came out, plus I had a very independent mother and a father who made it clear he wanted/ expected me to have some high powered career, but I remember Marlo's "Free to Be" stuff being heavily promoted and available all over department stores at that time. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_to_Be..._You_and_MeI've heard of it, but strictly speaking, it doesn't pertain to her entertainment career per se, it's more in the nature of advocacy, life-coaching, and pop psychology. Oprah Winfrey, Dolly Parton, and Naomi Judd ( requiescat in pace) have engaged in similar projects. |
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Post by tisbearself on Dec 29, 2023 14:43:40 GMT
One project she was very well-known for that hasn't been mentioned here yet is her "Free to Be...You and Me" album, TV special, and book for kids. I was too old to be interested in such stuff by the time it came out, plus I had a very independent mother and a father who made it clear he wanted/ expected me to have some high powered career, but I remember Marlo's "Free to Be" stuff being heavily promoted and available all over department stores at that time. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_to_Be..._You_and_MeI've heard of it, but strictly speaking, it doesn't pertain to her entertainment career per se, it's more in the nature of advocacy, life-coaching, and pop psychology. Oprah Winfrey, Dolly Parton, and Naomi Judd ( requiescat in pace) have engaged in similar projects. They're common now, but in 1972 they weren't common. Hers was groundbreaking stuff. It was also heavily featured in entertainment magazines of the TVGuide variety. As for those other people you mention, Dolly wasn't a star till 1973 when "Jolene" hit, Oprah didn't become known till 1986 her national TV show started, and the Judds didn't have their first hit till 1983. |
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Post by theguvnor on Dec 29, 2023 20:22:42 GMT
Even when I was at school in the 1980s we still were dealing with fallout about perceived roles for boys and girls. The school taught Home Economics for both boys and girls and some parents were not pleased about boys learning how to cook. I can recall some parents grumbling to my mum and dad about this 'being women's work' and coming out with such silliness. I'm fortunate that my parents never believed this silliness. However, I can bring to mind more than one parent who did and a couple who grumbled at the notion of girls going to university. One girl my own age Angela was half Irish and half Greek and her father was very, very conservative and Angela was most definitely not and Angela and he were are always arguing about things like this and her father once came out with the classic, 'men don't marry over-educated girls' talking to my mother. He believed that women shouldn't talk about politics or subjects like this with men. This WAS NOT a wise comment to make to my mother who just gave him a cool look and avoided talking to him after that. My wife does a joke with me where when I indicate I would like some dinner and it is time for the women to make it of noting, 'the kitchen is just down the corridor, turn left and then left again.' However, if she thought I really meant women should only be cooking and having babies this would cease to be a joke.
An issue for us that is more UK-centric was we were the first generation where kids from working class backgrounds going on to tertiary level education was starting to become common. This led to clashes with older generations who didn't understand this process or the paperwork around it or the system of grants and so forth.
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Post by homeschooldad on Dec 29, 2023 23:03:42 GMT
Even when I was at school in the 1980s we still were dealing with fallout about perceived roles for boys and girls. The school taught Home Economics for both boys and girls and some parents were not pleased about boys learning how to cook. I can recall some parents grumbling to my mum and dad about this 'being women's work' and coming out with such silliness. I'm fortunate that my parents never believed this silliness. However, I can bring to mind more than one parent who did and a couple who grumbled at the notion of girls going to university. One girl my own age Angela was half Irish and half Greek and her father was very, very conservative and Angela was most definitely not and Angela and he were are always arguing about things like this and her father once came out with the classic, 'men don't marry over-educated girls' talking to my mother. He believed that women shouldn't talk about politics or subjects like this with men. This WAS NOT a wise comment to make to my mother who just gave him a cool look and avoided talking to him after that. My wife does a joke with me where when I indicate I would like some dinner and it is time for the women to make it of noting, 'the kitchen is just down the corridor, turn left and then left again.' However, if she thought I really meant women should only be cooking and having babies this would cease to be a joke. An issue for us that is more UK-centric was we were the first generation where kids from working class backgrounds going on to tertiary level education was starting to become common. This led to clashes with older generations who didn't understand this process or the paperwork around it or the system of grants and so forth. If I did not know how to cook, I could not eat. I cannot afford to eat out all that much, and canned stuff can't be your entire diet (not that this stops some bachelors). |
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Post by tisbearself on Dec 30, 2023 6:40:59 GMT
My parents didn't have a clue about college paperwork either, and on top of that, during the time I needed to be taking tests, choosing college, and applying, my dad had a stroke and spent about a year in hospitals learning to walk again and that sort of thing. His left arm never did function again and his left leg only partially with a brace. My mom's entire attention was pretty much focused on dealing with everything related to him. So I did my entire college admissions stuff essentially by myself at age 16. At the time it didn't seem unusual, I felt capable of doing it and there were only a couple schools I was interested in anyway. But in retrospect, most teens that age get a lot more handholding from their parents and dither around a lot more about decisions.
My mother's main contribution to the process was to yell at me until I agreed to attend the school closer to home because she thought I was wanting to go away to another state for the wrong reason, to follow some guy who'd broken up with me and was going there. She was right of course, but also I'm pretty sure she just didn't want me going that far away.
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Post by theguvnor on Dec 30, 2023 8:18:49 GMT
My mother-in-law noted once her university was on the other side of Russia from her parents. In the UK if you lived in London like I did and still do if you were going to pick a decent university most of them are with an hours commute from London if you leave out York, Durham and Warwick. The British paperwork for university has been refined somewhat over the years. When I was younger it was a complete pain in the head. You had to pick five choices for university and if you were lucky and got the marks you were projected to you'd get into your first choice.
The system at Masters and above is chaotic. If you go further than Masters each institute has a similar procedure but but its own oddities. Some of them will ask you to forward multi page proposals and some will insist on interviews with panels of people etc. Some of the more snobbish ones are institutes you're best not bothering with for advanced study unless you have loads of work published already or know the right people. However, that's true almost everywhere.
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Post by davebj on Dec 30, 2023 17:02:32 GMT
Back on the subject of Marlo Thomas, I caught her recently on a YouTube commercial for St. Jude's. I'm a part-time Southern Gospel bass singer, and I tried imitating the pitch of her voice. She's down in my mid-bass range. How does that happen to a woman?
Dxx
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Post by tisbearself on Dec 30, 2023 21:18:52 GMT
There's been some speculation that plastic surgery affected her voice. She currently sounds to me like she can't get enough air through her nose, which might be due to surgery.
Reportedly she has never smoked, otherwise I'd think it was smoking that caused it.
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Post by theguvnor on Dec 30, 2023 21:42:07 GMT
I think it did watching her on an award ceremony the other day. Her voice sounded odd and wholly unlike older recordings of her. People's voices does change with age but hers sounded vastly different. My wife commented that there seemed to be more plastic in her face than you'd find on Mattel's factory floor.
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