vz71
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Post by vz71 on Mar 16, 2021 2:58:47 GMT
No, nothing comes from nothing. There are rules or laws that make it such that nothing comes from nothing. Those rules or laws could not exist if nothing existed. No, no such law need be there at all.
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Post by vz71 on Mar 16, 2021 3:18:58 GMT
With nothing, there is nothing to act out anything. There is no law...but then there is also nothing to act within the law.
One can claim no logic either. But the same issue comes about, there is nothing there to fuel logic.
One could try to claim something just came about from nothing...but something requires a cause, and nothing is there. And nothing is not a cause.
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Post by hakutaku on Mar 16, 2021 3:59:40 GMT
but something requires a cause, and nothing is there. "All things require a cause" is a law that would not exist.
I don't think you understand what you're getting rid of when you say that logic doesn't exist. Even if the law did exist, if logic does not exist we can simply violate non-contradiction and assert that it is simultaneously true that "all things require a cause" and "something came from nothing." Without logic to appeal to, you have no grounds to complain.
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vz71
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Post by vz71 on Mar 16, 2021 10:14:58 GMT
but something requires a cause, and nothing is there. "All things require a cause" is a law that would not exist.
I don't think you understand what you're getting rid of when you say that logic doesn't exist. Even if the law did exist, if logic does not exist we can simply violate non-contradiction and assert that it is simultaneously true that "all things require a cause" and "something came from nothing." Without logic to appeal to, you have no grounds to complain.
With nothing, there is no need. I don't think you fully understand "nothing". Your assertion itself would be something. And again, I remind you. NOTHING. One can twist themselves into whatever they wish to believe, but with nothing, there is nothing and remains nothing.
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Post by hakutaku on Mar 16, 2021 15:25:45 GMT
With nothing, there is no need. I don't think you fully understand "nothing". I didn't say there was a need. Indeed, I said the opposite: there is no need for needs.
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vz71
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Post by vz71 on Mar 17, 2021 17:25:02 GMT
With nothing, there is no need. I don't think you fully understand "nothing". I didn't say there was a need. Indeed, I said the opposite: there is no need for needs. Perhaps I was not clear. There is no need for the laws you describe. Nothing will act on them.
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