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Post by StellaMaris on Aug 26, 2021 3:55:32 GMT
I don't think they're restricting the EF because it's bad but because it's supposed to follow a liturgy that was revised following Vatican II. That should not be hard to do as the EF was revised many times across the centuries.
I don't understand why you want to avoid going off-topic by referring to that when you were the one who brought it up.
As for this topic, as I pointed out earlier, the main driver of uniformity appears to be industrialists.
Finally, why not talk about the catechism in another thread?
Should grocery stores all close down just because some people are gluttons? Quit making cars because some people drive carelessly? Get rid of the Novus Ordo because some people approach it irreverently? You are citing individuals flaws when the topic is addressing subversive ideologies. I'm sure you wouldn't be so tolerant of Communist, Fascist, Islamic ideologues challenging the norms. |
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Post by homeschooldad on Aug 26, 2021 12:35:33 GMT
Should grocery stores all close down just because some people are gluttons? Quit making cars because some people drive carelessly? Get rid of the Novus Ordo because some people approach it irreverently? You are citing individuals flaws when the topic is addressing subversive ideologies. I'm sure you wouldn't be so tolerant of Communist, Fascist, Islamic ideologues challenging the norms. No, actually, if there were a movement of parents who were communists, fascists, or militant Muslims, I wouldn't advocate the outlawing or suppression of homeschooling, to keep these groups of people from educating their children in the way they see fit --- "nobody can homeschool because I don't like what these people teach their kids".
After all, that's what traditional Catholic homeschoolers do --- teach in a manner that is, at least in some ways, informed by an ideology. And what the public schools do in this country is also "teaching in accord with an ideology" --- in past years, the socially conservative, Protestant/Masonic, high-conformity, patriotic American worldview, and now, the "woke" ideology with such things as "critical race theory", advocacy of gender-identity diversity and every "alternate lifestyle" under the sun, and teaching the pupils about sex and birth control.
If there's an educational system or philosophy that is totally free of ideology, I've never heard of it. Everybody wakes up in the morning and conducts their lives according to guiding first principles --- even if those principles are no more profound than "I'm going to do what I want to today" or "I am the center of my universe and my activities today will reflect that concept".
For what it's worth, our homeschool is not nearly as "militantly Catholic" as many Catholic homeschool programs. I have heard of programs that have texts such as "Literature for Young Catholics", "Creation-Based Science", and so on. We use a mix of secular and Catholic texts. Much as I am convinced that the Catholic Church is the one true Church of Jesus Christ, and that extra ecclesiam nulla salus is still a "thing" (even though there are many interpretations of that dogma, and in a very real sense, Vatican II basically declared that all Christians are, after a fashion, in communion with the Catholic Church, IOW, the definition of intra ecclesiam was broadened in a huge way), I recognize that there are people in the world other than Catholics, and that they, too, contribute to the wisdom of both past ages and this one. We teach evolution as a very problematical theory --- and just a theory (it has major problems, and makes untenable assertions) --- as well as the fact that "young earth creationism" is definitely within God's power, whether He actually "did it that way" or not. The scientists can't create life in a laboratory, even though they have "all the ingredients", that should tell us something.
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Post by ratioetfides on Aug 27, 2021 21:35:18 GMT
In religious, including Christian, circles, we often hear Evolution is ‘just a theory.’ A theory as in ‘just a hypothesis.’ Many would argue it is much more than this. Major scientific ‘theories’ include Heliocentric Theory, Theory of Relativity, Quantum Theory, etc. George Coyne SJ (former director of the Vatican Observatory RIP) and Richard Dawkins (atheist evolutionary biologist) discuss this terminology in one segment of a multi part series. Coyne discusses the problematic English use of the word ‘theory.’ Both go on to claim neo-Darwinian Evolution is the ‘best scientific explanation’ as opposed to ‘just a theory.’ FULL DISCLOSURE: The video is an interview between a Jesuit and an atheist…both are scientists. The video is hosted on the Richard Dawkins Foundation YouTube page: youtu.be/po0ZMfkSNxcThe most prescient portion is up to min 5. The entire series is pretty interesting as well. |
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Post by tth1 on Sept 5, 2021 14:37:41 GMT
Schools do have their problems but show me any human institution that doesn't. I'm not opposed to homeschooling in principle. Indeed, I am involved in homeschooling someone. However, I would be very concerned if it is done, as it often can be, to separate the child from mainstream society and to indoctrinate them in some way. I believe going to school is beneficial for many reasons over and above the formal aspect of learning subjects. It educates you in a great many ways other than the formal education as well as enabling you to develop a whole host of other skills.
The problems that exist within schools need to be addressed and eradicated but I don't think the solution to those problems is to withdraw pupils.
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Post by jimg on Sept 24, 2021 19:45:01 GMT
All I know is that all of the home schooled children that I have known have gone on to do quite well in their further education, in their lives, and in their Faith and family life.
Of course, I have not known any children home schooled under an Islamist system. That may be something that is more pertinent to France than the U.S. Instilling jihad at an early age might not be a good idea.
The home school parents I have known are not so much opposed to modernism as to recent trends in education. They do not believe, for example that it is possible for biological sex to be changed by mere choosimg.
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Post by katy777 on Sept 25, 2021 1:20:40 GMT
I think we all should homeschool in religion on top of Catholic school or ccd-- you are supposed to.
But once my child would hit trigonometry in HS. Forget it. (She did)I cannot check this homework.
Also, if your child's desire is college, it's hard to socialize and homeschoolers do not get the same or any scholarships.
I'm wondering can you homeschool college? Probably an online for profit college.
Most of the homeschool kids I knew that transitioned to Catholic school lacked peer to peer relationships in a school setting. I knew 2. My state is rare for homeschooling.
IMHO schedules bring structure. Being late you get a tardy slip. It holds students accountable and ready for the workplace.
Learning how to deal with different personalities daily bring social skills sets up.
Dealing with bullies, teaches how to resolve conflict.
Eating lunch at a certain time, well that's just being cooperative.
I just don't know too much about homeschool. I know in Catholic school teachers all know your name no matter what grade and teach accountability.
This I learned from SSND sisters
.I am old school.
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Post by ralfy on Sept 26, 2021 2:31:34 GMT
I think there have been paid homeschooling programs where prepared materials are provided and tutors can help parents if needed. An example for Catholic students is Seton Home Study School.
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