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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2021 14:36:02 GMT
I am deeply hurt by gays in the church who are arrogant and have caused division in my family.
How do I see Christ in this situation?
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Post by katy777 on Sept 12, 2021 17:11:10 GMT
You look at them as people. You don't know Thier life. They may b celebate. I am against any form of physical affection in public, gay, straight etc.
So embrace your family and not focus on Thier lifestyles. It's not a sin to be gay..it's a sin to act on it.
Jesus sat with sinners and saints ..every person needs Jesus.
If they are toxic and mean and flaunt it that's another story.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2021 17:44:02 GMT
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Post by ratioetfides on Sept 12, 2021 21:33:05 GMT
‘The gays’ are a very popular boogie man. Are they going around and actually attacking families now? Are they trying to pass laws to prevent ‘the straights’ from getting married? Are they trying to have ‘the straights’ sterilized?’ Are they trying to pass laws to prevent ‘the straights’ from adopting children? Are they telling ‘the straights’ they can’t hold hands in public?
To be clear comments posted here or elsewhere can be and often are addressed to a larger audience than those directly above or even those participating in a thread. This may even include posts with others’ comments quoted. All that said:
I am deeply hurt by ‘straights’ in the church who are arrogant and have caused division in my family. (literally…seriously…truly).
How is it possible to see Christ in this? (rhetorical…please don’t answer)
We often hear some persons claim to be ‘okay with gays’ as long as they don’t ‘flaunt it.’ So often we see such a statement followed by the corollary, ‘sexuality has no place is public.’
This corollary is often indulged in by persons who: holds hands with their spouse, lay a hand on their forearm, lay a hand just on top of theirs, put an arm over their shoulder, put a hand on their back, and perhaps exchange an actual kiss at the kiss of peace.
(The arm over the shoulder is particularly ridiculous. It’s completely acceptable between two males as father and son, extended family members, friends, but but but…if it’s ‘the gays’ they are flaunting their sexuality.)
What we really hear in these statements is not a problem with ‘public displays of sexuality/affection;’ we are actually hearing a desire to drive ‘the gays’ from the public square. This is a good example of how deeply, culturally embedded these oppressive attitudes are.
If persons are willing to repudiate all the mentioned behaviors among all persons (hetero or homosexual) bully for them, but what an awful loveless dead world that would be. It would also be reasonable to approve all the mentioned behaviors for public use by ‘the gays.’
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Post by po18guy on Sept 12, 2021 21:40:27 GMT
I am deeply hurt by gays in the church who are arrogant and have caused division in my family. How do I see Christ in this situation? You pray for them, as they have a serious misconception of their very being, of their eternal purpose. In my experience, they tend to very strongly desire recognition and acceptance combined with a reluctance or denial of the need for repentance - this applies to many sins and not just same sex attraction. If Christ can look upon them and love them, then we must do the same. Now, this is a huge challenge: we are called to do this while both avoiding judgment AND very graciously- subtly if needed, admonishing the sinner. All of this knowing the we too are sinners. To the best of your ability, be Christ to them.
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Post by ratioetfides on Sept 12, 2021 22:13:13 GMT
I am deeply hurt by gays in the church who are arrogant and have caused division in my family. How do I see Christ in this situation? You pray for them, as they have a serious misconception of their very being, of their eternal purpose. In my experience, they tend to very strongly desire recognition and acceptance combined with a reluctance or denial of the need for repentance - this applies to many sins and not just same sex attraction. If Christ can look upon them and love them, then we must do the same. Now, this is a huge challenge: we are called to do this while both avoiding judgment AND very graciously- subtly if needed, admonishing the sinner. All of this knowing the we too are sinners. To the best of your ability, be Christ to them. This a good example of using ‘faith’ as a cudgel to bully, condemn, and intimidate persons. Of course the ‘faith’ part has been mercilessly twisted to suit the desired narrative. Same-sex attraction IS NOT…IS NOT…IS NOT a sin. These bigoted and oppressive attitudes are so deeply engrained in the culture persons making such statements as those above don’t even give it a second thought. It’s all the same…it doesn’t matter…it’s just persons all in the same ‘category’ to be condemned…ho-hum another day to be a good Christian…
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Post by katy777 on Sept 12, 2021 22:28:36 GMT
I think everyone deserves prayers . Holding hands can be 2 sisters.
I lost so much $ not selling wedding rings to gay couples, I'm talking thousands. I would pass the sale.
I worked in diamond jewelry, commission.
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Post by ratioetfides on Sept 12, 2021 22:58:07 GMT
Certainly everyone needs prayers.
The question is will those who approve of two sisters holding hands in public acknowledge two gay men holding hands is also acceptable public behavior?
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Post by katy777 on Sept 12, 2021 23:13:27 GMT
I had the privilege of a questionnaire for the bishops synod a few years ago.
It stated that as Catholics we should pray for gay people. I am as conservative as anyone. But I believe everyone deserves prayers.
When I worked, an older gentlemen was buying a chain for a much younger person of a different race.
The consensus was he was a gay sugar daddy.
I was like, no, this is the father of an adopted child.
I prefer to keep my mind on things above.
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Post by katy777 on Sept 12, 2021 23:21:00 GMT
I also think it's time to develop our own spiritual life in Christ and stop paying attention to things that are not conducive to His love.
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Post by ratioetfides on Sept 12, 2021 23:27:26 GMT
Wow. Purchasing an item for someone becomes a ‘thing below’ if the purchaser is actually of a homosexual orientation?
Are all gifts from one homosexual person to another homosexual person ‘things of below?’ Is it ‘of below’ only if the persons are involved in a romantic relationship? Is it ‘of below’ only if their is an age gap between the two person involved in a romantic relationship?
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Post by ratioetfides on Sept 12, 2021 23:30:51 GMT
Persons are welcome to develop any spiritual life they wish. Persons are welcome to pay attention, or not, to whatever they please. Person should expect pushback when they are actively and publicly engaging in or agitating for the closing of conduits of love to certain persons in a Christian context.
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Post by StellaMaris on Sept 12, 2021 23:43:52 GMT
Persons are welcome to develop any spiritual life they wish. Persons are welcome to pay attention, or not, to whatever they please. Person should expect pushback when they are actively and publicly engaging in or agitating for the closing of conduits of love to certain persons in a Christian context. There is a need for patience though as we root out our inbred prejudices. That is where the words of the Church addressing things like prejudice and discrimination are a wonderful source of healing. As I have developed deeper charity for the plight of gay people, I find I still cringe on the inside when I see same sex PDA's. I would like to experience what Jesus would have in that situation and it was most likely a higher level of compassion and awareness of the person in the Fathers eyes.
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Post by StellaMaris on Sept 12, 2021 23:53:07 GMT
That just reminded me of something as a kid. If we did something nasty to each other my mother would say "don't be a Jew". As an adult I was asking my siblings did they remember that. We all agreed that one day it just suddenly stopped being a thing in Mums chastisement which I assume came from Vatican II. But that was the underlying prejudice that had to be thoroughly rooted out by the Church going forward. People of a certain age still continued to carry some remnants of that attitude subconsciously and you could detect in ways other than explicitly.
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Post by ratioetfides on Sept 13, 2021 0:24:34 GMT
Persons are welcome to develop any spiritual life they wish. Persons are welcome to pay attention, or not, to whatever they please. Person should expect pushback when they are actively and publicly engaging in or agitating for the closing of conduits of love to certain persons in a Christian context. There is a need for patience though as we root out our inbred prejudices. That is where the words of the Church addressing things like prejudice and discrimination are a wonderful source of healing. As I have developed deeper charity for the plight of gay people, I find I still cringe on the inside when I see same sex PDA's. I would like to experience what Jesus would have in that situation and it was most likely a higher level of compassion and awareness of the person in the Fathers eyes. It can be painful when one is confronted with deeply rooted prejudices. A natural reaction is to push back and claim there is no prejudice or to just double down and act as if the particular prejudice is actually a ‘good thing.’ Yes patience and caring is needed. Internet forums are not a particularly good platform for a slow, handholding every tiny thing explained sort of convincing. Arguments are made in quick snipets and multiple directions. The conversation is then often relegated to the bowls of the timeline. Pointing out and engaging the deeply embedded prejudices prevalent across the Catholic web and in the real life church is a legitimate part of such discourse. This is particularly true when ‘faith’ is used to defend and reinforce harmful prejudices. It should be noted people are making public statements on forums; they ought expect these statements to be engaged. To put it in common church parlance…hate the prejudice not the prejudiced. The ubiquitous harmful prejudices of the Catholic web are just astounding and so antithetical to the message of the church.
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