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Post by martyr on Feb 27, 2022 16:40:09 GMT
Apart from being in Communion with Roman Catholicism?
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Post by pianistclare on Feb 27, 2022 18:34:36 GMT
Do you think you are fooling anyone?
Vatican II is not the evil event you think it was.
Anyone who is Baptized with the Trinitarian formula is a potential resident of heaven.
I'm not sure what you think you are accomplishing.
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Post by StellaMaris on Feb 27, 2022 21:40:40 GMT
What does that mean? What is a 'Vatican 2 Layperson' for a start?
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Post by tisbearself on Feb 28, 2022 15:10:30 GMT
Methinks this is just our resident troll in their latest disguise, since the question makes no sense.
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Post by pianistclare on Feb 28, 2022 18:27:28 GMT
Yup. Same I address. Sigh.
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Post by tth1 on Mar 1, 2022 15:10:46 GMT
The question definitely makes no sense. I would like to know what a 'Vatican 2 Layperson' is. Don't know what it's like where the OP is but it's a stunningly beautiful sunny day here. Perhaps it would help if the OP left his parents' attic once in a while.
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Post by homeschooldad on Mar 1, 2022 15:29:28 GMT
The question definitely makes no sense. I would like to know what a 'Vatican 2 Layperson' is. Don't know what it's like where the OP is but it's a stunningly beautiful sunny day here. Perhaps it would help if the OP left his parents' attic once in a while. I suggest that we all quit catering to these people (assuming it is more than one person) who come on this board, freshly-minted participants, with terse, cryptically-worded questions such as this one. If someone is a sedevacantist, or thinks that Pope Francis is an evil agent, or that the New Mass and Vatican II came from some cabal with this affiliation or that, I'd be all in favor of just letting them say so, and put forth their argument. It wouldn't be anything that hasn't been hashed and re-hashed a hundred times on the interwebs, but evidently it's important to some people, so be it. But I, for one, am not going down any rabbit holes with these people. Anyone with me on this? |
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Post by pianistclare on Mar 1, 2022 15:51:20 GMT
Apart from being in Communion with Roman Catholicism? martyr has been martyred. Banned. |
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Post by tth1 on Mar 2, 2022 16:26:31 GMT
Apart from being in Communion with Roman Catholicism? martyr has been martyred. Banned. Yay! (Note to moderator: We need a smiley for partying!). |
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Post by tth1 on Mar 2, 2022 16:30:21 GMT
The question definitely makes no sense. I would like to know what a 'Vatican 2 Layperson' is. Don't know what it's like where the OP is but it's a stunningly beautiful sunny day here. Perhaps it would help if the OP left his parents' attic once in a while. I suggest that we all quit catering to these people (assuming it is more than one person) who come on this board, freshly-minted participants, with terse, cryptically-worded questions such as this one. If someone is a sedevacantist, or thinks that Pope Francis is an evil agent, or that the New Mass and Vatican II came from some cabal with this affiliation or that, I'd be all in favor of just letting them say so, and put forth their argument. It wouldn't be anything that hasn't been hashed and re-hashed a hundred times on the interwebs, but evidently it's important to some people, so be it. But I, for one, am not going down any rabbit holes with these people. Anyone with me on this? I do agree with you that with some people engagement is not worthwhile. You are not going to change their point of view. However, I sometimes think it useful to provide counter argument. For example, if someone was searching for something and they found a post on this forum which said something like Pope Francis is the anti-Christ or the OF was created by a cabal of the intelligentsia who secretly control the world and found no counter argument it may influence them. To see a rational counter argument may stop them from sinking into some conspiracy theory. It never hurts to keep putting the truth out there. |
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Post by AgnusDei on Jul 2, 2022 20:16:57 GMT
I look at the above post, snicker quietly, and ask, “What is truth?”
I will now dodge various thrown objects as I retreat back to my cave.
Dominus vobiscum
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Post by tth1 on Jul 4, 2022 15:34:18 GMT
At the risk of being obtuse, could you please tell me why my above post made you snicker and the reason for your post?
Et cum spiritu tuo
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Post by iagosan on Jul 5, 2022 7:42:29 GMT
I suggest that we all quit catering to these people (assuming it is more than one person) who come on this board, freshly-minted participants, with terse, cryptically-worded questions such as this one. If someone is a sedevacantist, or thinks that Pope Francis is an evil agent, or that the New Mass and Vatican II came from some cabal with this affiliation or that, I'd be all in favor of just letting them say so, and put forth their argument. It wouldn't be anything that hasn't been hashed and re-hashed a hundred times on the interwebs, but evidently it's important to some people, so be it. But I, for one, am not going down any rabbit holes with these people. Anyone with me on this? I do agree with you that with some people engagement is not worthwhile. You are not going to change their point of view. However, I sometimes think it useful to provide counter argument. For example, if someone was searching for something and they found a post on this forum which said something like Pope Francis is the anti-Christ or the OF was created by a cabal of the intelligentsia who secretly control the world and found no counter argument it may influence them. To see a rational counter argument may stop them from sinking into some conspiracy theory. It never hurts to keep putting the truth out there. I agree entirely with your point. A lack of engagement leads to the formation an echo chamber, which in turn makes a forum redundant. If one has the confidence (and required knowledge) to counter an argument, do so. Unfortunately, it appears that many people here are not confident to do this (or that there is an orchestrated tactic to stymie debate on "uncomfortable" topics, which itself would be sinister if so.) |
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Post by homeschooldad on Jul 5, 2022 13:33:48 GMT
I do agree with you that with some people engagement is not worthwhile. You are not going to change their point of view. However, I sometimes think it useful to provide counter argument. For example, if someone was searching for something and they found a post on this forum which said something like Pope Francis is the anti-Christ or the OF was created by a cabal of the intelligentsia who secretly control the world and found no counter argument it may influence them. To see a rational counter argument may stop them from sinking into some conspiracy theory. It never hurts to keep putting the truth out there. I agree entirely with your point. A lack of engagement leads to the formation an echo chamber, which in turn makes a forum redundant. If one has the confidence (and required knowledge) to counter an argument, do so. Unfortunately, it appears that many people here are not confident to do this (or that there is an orchestrated tactic to stymie debate on "uncomfortable" topics, which itself would be sinister if so.) I agree wholeheartedly that we should engage those who are new to the forum, and who bring different points of view on board. However, that is assuming you are dealing with sincere people, and sincere seekers, not trolls or bad actors. This forum is a useful vehicle, but sadly, it comes down to about a dozen people who regularly participate, and whose views on any matter are pretty much predictable. I was in hopes that catholic-questions.org would morph into a continuation of the better aspects of Catholic Answers Forum, but that doesn't seem to be happening. I tried to find out how much it would cost, to place an ad (at my personal expense) in the National Catholic Register and The Wanderer telling the readers that CCS exists and how to get here, but neither periodical publishes advertising rates (possibly because they charge different advertisers different rates, based upon volume and/or whatever deal they are able to cut?). I guess you actually have to call them and tell them what you want to do. I may do that during the summer school break (we run a late schedule designed for our circumstances). |
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Post by po18guy on Aug 28, 2022 18:50:34 GMT
The question is: can a schismatic or sedevacantist be sanctified?
A: Has about the same chance as Judas Iscariot.
With all of the trolls and sera lions, we have become a form of fairy tale zoo.
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