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Post by homeschooldad on Nov 5, 2022 16:49:39 GMT
www.usnews.com/news/world/articles/2022-11-05/thousands-pack-bahrain-national-stadium-for-popes-main-mass#:~:text=The%20English%2Dlanguage%20liturgy%20was,the%20pope's%20native%20Spanish%20homily. When I read of the Mass in Bahrain, my first question was "what language did they use?". Apparently it was English, with parts of it (prayers of the faithful, etc.) in other languages common to at least some of the people in attendance. I'm assuming the primary language was English, in that it is understood, at least to some extent, by the majority of the people there, but the Pope's homily was in Spanish with printed English translation. Not being critical, just noting the fact of the matter. I assume the Novus Ordo in Latin wouldn't have been considered. Though these guidelines wouldn't apply to Bahrain, in that they are not under the jurisdiction of the USCCB, it might be helpful to look at these: www.usccb.org/prayer-and-worship/the-mass/frequently-asked-questions/guidelines-for-a-multilingual-celebration-of-mass
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Post by tisbearself on Nov 5, 2022 16:55:35 GMT
Pope Francis is not a fluent English speaker, hence the homily being in a language he does speak.
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Post by theguvnor on Nov 5, 2022 17:17:54 GMT
A lot of the guest workers in Bahrain are from the Philippines so Spanish is not a bad choice.
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Post by homeschooldad on Nov 5, 2022 17:24:56 GMT
Pope Francis is not a fluent English speaker, hence the homily being in a language he does speak. I know, I've heard that mentioned before, but I had to wonder, just for the sake of argument, if he could have had someone translate the homily into English, and write it out phonetically for him to read. He did not do a bad job when he addressed the US Congress, and he might have had such assistance when he delivered the speech, I honestly don't know. If you don't already speak English well, you can't simply pick up a text and read it "cold", due to bizarre differences in pronunciation --- for instance, the non-English speaker would have no idea how to pronounce "bough", "tough", "cough", and "Heathrow", and I didn't know how actress Julianne Hough's last name was pronounced until I heard it spoken ("huff"). Some languages, you can. I can pick up a text in Spanish, German, or Polish and read it aloud with near-perfect pronunciation, whether I understand it entirely or not, because if you know the phonetic sounds, everything is "spelled like it sounds". French, you just want to go pop a vein sometimes, in its own way, it's worse than English. |
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Post by homeschooldad on Nov 5, 2022 17:26:00 GMT
A lot of the guest workers in Bahrain are from the Philippines so Spanish is not a bad choice. Eh? Is Spanish widely understood in the Philippines? I didn't think it was. |
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Post by theguvnor on Nov 5, 2022 17:48:15 GMT
You have Creole languages that still have quite a bit of similarity.
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Post by homeschooldad on Nov 5, 2022 17:59:38 GMT
You have Creole languages that still have quite a bit of similarity. I'll take your word for it. I thought it was just English, Tagalog, and whatever indigenous languages might be spoken in various island groups. |
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Post by theguvnor on Nov 5, 2022 18:30:10 GMT
A lot nurses form this area still left in the NHS here in the Uk. Amusingly they didn't get pushed out when Bexit occurred. Many of them married English or Irishmen and as wives, they were what my father's generation would have called a 'good catch' (the men of that generation would get slaughtered for saying that sort of thing nowadays). My father once described my late mother to a young girl as a good wife as she was industrious, intelligent and good at organizing the home.* The young lady felt that devalued her, my father was puzzled - two generations with different ideas of life talking past each other.
*So long as you didn't ask her to cook you dinner, my mother was superb at tidying a home or cleaning one up - her cooking on the other hand was on the level of beans on toast or sausages in a grill or pan and fried eggs that's about it. She worked lots of weird hours as a nurse and as a kid her family was well of enough a servant did cooking as was several class levels up from dad. So she never evolved great cooking skills. She once attempted to make me an apple pie for a birthday which was bloody awful but because she made it my dad and I ate it whilst going, 'this apple pie is great' because she made it after working long hours and being very tired. My wife is a fantastic cook on the other hand and can make meals out of anything.
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