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Post by homeschooldad on Nov 6, 2022 17:03:52 GMT
www.ncregister.com/blog/cardinal-burke-bishop-schneider-oct-21-talk-remarksThese words are especially evocative: "Do not dare to fight against the work of the Holy Spirit"Who can say that the desire for the TLM in the hearts of so many --- including so many who discover it anew --- is not the work of the Holy Spirit, moving the Church to realize that she went too far in nearly-totally replacing it with the Novus Ordo? It would not be the first time that the Holy Spirit has corrected His Church. After all, did He not do so in the reforms of Vatican II (which nowhere called for a new form of Mass to replace the old)? I normally say "Holy Ghost", but I say "Holy Spirit" here to maintain the flow of the narrative. Either is equally correct. (And, yes, the "comments" section has various points of view. Everyone has an opinion.)
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Post by StellaMaris on Nov 7, 2022 6:37:30 GMT
Which is why I will always call out those who do. We are assured by all the Popes that Vatican II is the work of the Holy Spirit. Hence the unholy trinity Burke, Schneider, Vigano, who want to undermine it are wolves in sheeps clothing along with their unholy 'militant'.
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Post by AveMaria on Dec 7, 2022 1:34:35 GMT
Which is why I will always call out those who do. We are assured by all the Popes that Vatican II is the work of the Holy Spirit. Hence the unholy trinity Burke, Schneider, Vigano, who want to undermine it are wolves in sheeps clothing along with their unholy 'militant'.Well, I suppose my search for a Catholic forum that doesn't allow such vile directed at clergy, resumes. I read the rules before joining. And this post stands ? I'm out of here.
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Post by homeschooldad on Dec 7, 2022 3:39:45 GMT
Which is why I will always call out those who do. We are assured by all the Popes that Vatican II is the work of the Holy Spirit. Hence the unholy trinity Burke, Schneider, Vigano, who want to undermine it are wolves in sheeps clothing along with their unholy 'militant'.Well, I suppose my search for a Catholic forum that doesn't allow such vile directed at clergy, resumes. I read the rules before joining. And this post stands ? I'm out of here. The user who posted this is absolutely and fiercely loyal to Pope Francis, and she does not like to see anyone oppose him, whether clergy or laity. Her comments reflect this. Since she wrote this, she announced her intention not to participate in CCS anymore, so evidently such rhetoric will come to an end. It is not typical of the commentary on this forum. You are correct in noting that such rhetoric is against the rules of CCS, however, sadly, we have no active moderator anymore. This forum is effectively unmoderated. We are just a small group of people here, with varying points of view, and inflammatory rhetoric is very rare here. This is, all in all, a friendly, courteous place, and I hope you will remain with us. I, for one, regret that you had to read this sort of invective. Please stick around and remain in the conversation.
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Post by tisbearself on Dec 7, 2022 12:57:12 GMT
Which is why I will always call out those who do. We are assured by all the Popes that Vatican II is the work of the Holy Spirit. Hence the unholy trinity Burke, Schneider, Vigano, who want to undermine it are wolves in sheeps clothing along with their unholy 'militant'.Well, I suppose my search for a Catholic forum that doesn't allow such vile directed at clergy, resumes. I read the rules before joining. And this post stands ? I'm out of here. We don’t have moderation here, so unless someone violates the Proboard rules by posting porn or impersonating someone else (which would cause Proboard staff to remove them), posts don’t get removed. Makes it a bit volatile at times. Sorry! The rules you read are leftover from a previous incarnation of this forum that had an active mod. Mods have all gone AWOL at this point. (Oh hai Stella, Merry St. Nicholas Day to you too!)
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Post by tth1 on Dec 7, 2022 16:44:22 GMT
Which is why I will always call out those who do. We are assured by all the Popes that Vatican II is the work of the Holy Spirit. Hence the unholy trinity Burke, Schneider, Vigano, who want to undermine it are wolves in sheeps clothing along with their unholy 'militant'.Well, I suppose my search for a Catholic forum that doesn't allow such vile directed at clergy, resumes. I read the rules before joining. And this post stands ? I'm out of here. Unfortunately, we are not moderated on this forum. Fortunately, for the most part, even though the cat's away the mice don't really play.
You will generally find us a polite and friendly. There really is not strong rhetoric here. People do have different views and not much point to a forum if all everybody did was to say yes I agree. However, the points of view are mainly courteous.
StellaMaris, who claims she will no longer post on this forum, does tend to get rather heated if she thinks anyone is remotely deviating from Pope Francis' line but all this achieved was for her to annoy other members who were beginning to disengage from her. If you continued to disagree with her she could start hurling the insults around.
Hope you feel able to stay as we're quite a small bunch and you're not likely to see the same invective.
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Post by StellaMaris on Dec 17, 2022 3:12:36 GMT
Which is why I will always call out those who do. We are assured by all the Popes that Vatican II is the work of the Holy Spirit. Hence the unholy trinity Burke, Schneider, Vigano, who want to undermine it are wolves in sheeps clothing along with their unholy 'militant'.Well, I suppose my search for a Catholic forum that doesn't allow such vile directed at clergy, resumes. I read the rules before joining. And this post stands ? I'm out of here. Your skewed search function is revealing. There is an abundance of anti Pope Francis and Vatican II material on here that would have made you happy. I don't post here anymore, run out of town by the mob. You would be a very welcome part of the current community here and without having to deal with someone like me so do a bit more research.... unless you wanted to just kick the boot in, yes? *eyeroll*
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Post by ralfy on Dec 17, 2022 23:54:25 GMT
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Post by ratioetfides on Dec 18, 2022 13:00:35 GMT
Which is why I will always call out those who do. We are assured by all the Popes that Vatican II is the work of the Holy Spirit. Hence the unholy trinity Burke, Schneider, Vigano, who want to undermine it are wolves in sheeps clothing along with their unholy 'militant'.Well, I suppose my search for a Catholic forum that doesn't allow such vile directed at clergy, resumes. I read the rules before joining. And this post stands ? I'm out of here. Lolz…looks like one more vote for ‘cancel culture’ to me. It is interesting to watch many so called ‘traditionalists’ support and promote these three clerical clowns while simultaneously scratching their heads and wondering why the Church is not taken seriously by a larger swath of society. It is long past time these there were assigned to a ‘spiritual renewal program’ for the remainder of their days.
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Post by tisbearself on Dec 18, 2022 13:49:36 GMT
So much for this forum being a “friendly” bunch, lolz
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Post by theguvnor on Dec 18, 2022 14:02:40 GMT
I have Stella on ignore - I found the constant attempts to suggest if we didn't absolutely agree with Pope Francis we were someone in danger of becoming heretics ikrsome. And that's coming from and I'm far far to the left. It became annoying, Pope Francis and his views are up for respectful discussion as much as any other Bishops. Sometimes I agree with him, sometimes I disagree with him and I don't think he is well served by an attitude where each utterance by him seemed to be approached as if it was infallible dogma and not just his personal opinion (which many times was all it was).
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Post by tisbearself on Dec 18, 2022 18:21:08 GMT
I think about half the things Pope Francis has done are good to awesome. And the other half are mediocre to bad. I've felt the same way about most Popes.
Had a slight preference for Pope JPII but even he fumbled the clergy sex abuse reports pretty badly. I also liked what I read of Pope John XXIII but he treated St Padre Pio badly, did not lift the suspension on the Divine Mercy devotion, and started a council that he didn't live to see the end of which helped it go off track IMHO.
Popes aren't perfect. Fortunately, since they don't tend to get elected till they're relatively elderly, there's always another one coming over the next hill.
The vast majority of Catholics I know, including all the ones who pray and help around the parish and in other Catholic groups, grouse about Popes from time to time. It's normal. We're not expected to treat the Pope like he's God. He'd be the first one to tell you he isn't.
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Post by theguvnor on Dec 18, 2022 18:33:03 GMT
Exactly - the first Pope failed the most you might of course argue but we don't say he's not saint as a result. I dislike making idols out of politicians, priests, or any other figure and deeming them above critique.
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Post by StellaMaris on Dec 18, 2022 19:02:02 GMT
The vast majority of Catholics I know, including all the ones who pray and help around the parish and in other Catholic groups, grouse about Popes from time to time. It's normal. We're not expected to treat the Pope like he's God. He'd be the first one to tell you he isn't. Why can't people be equally entitled to call out the Popes/Magisterium detractors like Cdl Burke and AB Schneider and their friend AB Vigano? I didn't start the thread. It was started by someone else who treats Pope Francis detractors as coming from the 'Holy Ghost'. There's such hypocrisy in this clique.
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Post by ralfy on Dec 19, 2022 2:16:01 GMT
Indeed. Can we also state that those who question the questioners are also doing the work of the Holy Spirit?
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