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Post by theguvnor on Apr 7, 2023 18:17:22 GMT
Very sorry to hear this as Nora dealt with an awful load of awkward stuff in her lifetime and the former enfant terrible of the punk rock scene stood by her throughout it. www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-65211616O God of spirits and of all flesh, Who hast trampled down death and overthrown the Devil, and given life to Thy world, do Thou, the same Lord, give rest to the souls of Thy departed servants in a place of brightness, a place of refreshment, a place of repose, where all sickness, sighing, and sorrow have fled away. Pardon every transgression which they have committed, whether by word or deed or thought. For Thou art a good God and lovest mankind; because there is no man who lives yet does not sin, for Thou only art without sin, Thy righteousness is to all eternity, and Thy word is truth. For Thou are the Resurrection, the Life, and the Repose of Thy servants who have fallen asleep, O Christ our God, and unto Thee we ascribe glory, together with Thy Father, who is from everlasting, and Thine all-holy, good, and life-creating Spirit, now and ever unto ages of ages. Amen. |
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Post by tisbearself on Apr 8, 2023 14:58:27 GMT
May she rest in peace and may God comfort her husband and family.
I'm sure he is very sad, at the same time I had a close relative with Alzheimers and it can be a relief when they pass on since they are generally "not themselves" for a long time prior to that.
A lot of old punks don't like Lydon over his politics, lifestyle or commercial pitches, but he will always be a mensch in my book. Something MacLaren really wasn't IMHO.
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Post by theguvnor on Apr 8, 2023 15:43:18 GMT
I have no problem with John - some of his politics I share, some I don't but he comes from the same area as me and we had broadly similar upbringings. As to his commercial pitches, half of those condemning him were quite happy to do pitches for things themselves at times and were annoying when they had a go at him about the butter ads and similar issues. This is not 1977 and they should long ago have moved on in many cases as they sound increasingly silly trying to go on about John having sold out some revolution that never was. McLaren was a chancer of the type we all know in London and which exists in every big city. He was also from this area and was well known for being an annoyance at times, his mother was from a very rich Jewish family but chose to live a rather Bohemian existence near here in Stoke Newington, which was incredibly rough back in the day. It was the kind of area where you'd get jokes every Sunday morning about how many pub windows got smashed on Saturday evening or how many people had gone to hospital. John's family lived near the Hospice where my mother worked and that was actually much less rough as an area and was a respectable working-class spot.
Alzheimer's is a quite horrid condition, it doesn't run in my family but I have seen it reduce family members of other people to a horrible state where they don't know their own family and it is very stressful for people to deal with that.
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Post by tisbearself on Apr 8, 2023 16:29:55 GMT
My husband's beloved grandmother got it when he was a child and eventually died of it after causing much heartache within the family. His mother then got it in her old age. It was very sad because his father was very physically unwell but with an intact mind, his mother was physically in good shape but her mind went little by little just like her mother's. I used to wonder if my husband would get it and should we have some kind of test done to see the odds, but the Lord removed that concern by having my husband just drop dead suddenly.
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Post by theguvnor on Apr 9, 2023 12:46:00 GMT
I'd definitely just check out suddenly than deal with it Alzheimers in myself. I could deal it with in someone else, but if I felt it creeping up on me I'd want to be gone before it got too much of a hold of me.
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Post by tisbearself on Apr 9, 2023 18:04:28 GMT
My FIL was very physically sick but like I said with an intact mind and he was the first one to notice that his wife was starting to go the way of her mom, little things like forgetting to take a kettle off the stove. By the time he finally died she was in a memory care home and the family never told her that her husband had died because she was too far gone to understand. A couple months after he died she had a fall and died very suddenly and somewhat unexpectedly. I said to my husband "your dad came and got her."
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Post by theguvnor on Apr 9, 2023 18:42:03 GMT
My wife's maternal great-grandmother declined very rapidly near the end but she was over a hundred years old and that was hardly surprising. She was still going to Church and doing shopping well into her late 90s and could be very bossy. A trait her great-great-granddaughter has inherited (Er, I never said that last bit, it just slipped out).
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Post by jcath on Apr 10, 2023 13:17:27 GMT
Father may she rest in peace. I hope that she was a follower and believer and is now in your Kingdom. May her family and friends find peace now that she has moved on. In your name, Jesus amen!
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Post by theguvnor on Apr 10, 2023 13:31:43 GMT
Her father Franz Karl Maier was Catholic, I am presuming Nora was at least nominally. Her husband John is second-generation Irish and grew up near where I did in London on a Council Estate, as did I. You'd call these Housing Projects in the USA. He's typical in some ways of working-class kids who are bright but knew the class system was loaded against them, especially in the era he was growing up. Here's Johnny being...himself. The block of flats being demolished at the start was about 10 or 15 minutes walk away from where I lived as a kid. This block is more or less identical to the one I lived in as a kid: www.youtube.com/watch?v=_SkUPM_T7FE |
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