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Post by homeschooldad on Aug 5, 2023 4:03:58 GMT
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Post by farronwolf on Aug 5, 2023 21:15:40 GMT
Being that Bishop Strickland failed to follow the instructions in TC, he is certainly not following Church Tradition himself.
He may find himself replaced in the not so distant future if he continues down his current path.
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Post by homeschooldad on Aug 5, 2023 22:24:23 GMT
Being that Bishop Strickland failed to follow the instructions in TC, he is certainly not following Church Tradition himself. He may find himself replaced in the not so distant future if he continues down his current path. Please be more specific. What provisions of TC, that a bishop does not have the power to dispense with, did Bishop Strickland fail to follow? Many US bishops have dispensed from various provisions of TC. |
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Post by farronwolf on Aug 6, 2023 3:06:33 GMT
Being that Bishop Strickland failed to follow the instructions in TC, he is certainly not following Church Tradition himself. He may find himself replaced in the not so distant future if he continues down his current path. Please be more specific. What provisions of TC, that a bishop does not have the power to dispense with, did Bishop Strickland fail to follow? Many US bishops have dispensed from various provisions of TC. He simply did nothing, as if TC was never written. |
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Post by homeschooldad on Aug 6, 2023 5:50:01 GMT
Please be more specific. What provisions of TC, that a bishop does not have the power to dispense with, did Bishop Strickland fail to follow? Many US bishops have dispensed from various provisions of TC. He simply did nothing, as if TC was never written. If the TLMs in his diocese were either permitted by TC, or had an aspect for which he could give dispensations (e.g., offered in a parish church where no other feasible location could be had), there wouldn't really be anything he would have had to do. He didn't just ignore TC, as the below statement indicates: www.dioceseoftyler.org/2021/07/30/message-from-bishop-strickland-regarding-traditionis-custodes/ |
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Post by farronwolf on Aug 6, 2023 18:27:08 GMT
Yes, he did issue that letter, that is it. |
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Post by ratioetfides on Aug 6, 2023 23:09:16 GMT
It’s no surprise to see Westen publish a puff piece on Strickland. He is one of a handful of US Bishops that radical so called ‘traditionalists’ have identified as the ‘good ones’ and the ‘true’ defenders/keepers of the faith. He knows this puff piece will appeal to and get amplification/dollars from his intended audience.
The more politically radical and the further from the mind of the church the more favor these bishops seem to have among the ‘traditionalist’ movement. (And no, Bishop X of Diocese Y, along with the faithful of said diocese, do not constitute ‘the’ church. They are simply ‘a’ church. This is basic Catholic ecclesiology.)
It is also not surprising that Westen misses the irony of Strickland being totally out of touch with the purpose and practice of Eucharist liturgy. The mass is most certainly ‘about us.’ It is a gathering of the community and a communal action. With out ‘us’ there is no mass nor a need. Maybe one of the apostolic visitors can get him up to speed on why his take on the ‘TLM’ is among the foundational reasons the reformed mass was and is needed.
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Post by homeschooldad on Aug 7, 2023 0:13:13 GMT
It’s no surprise to see Westen publish a puff piece on Strickland. He is one of a handful of US Bishops that radical so called ‘traditionalists’ have identified as the ‘good ones’ and the ‘true’ defenders/keepers of the faith. He knows this puff piece will appeal to and get amplification/dollars from his intended audience. The more politically radical and the further from the mind of the church the more favor these bishops seem to have among the ‘traditionalist’ movement. (And no, Bishop X of Diocese Y, along with the faithful of said diocese, do not constitute ‘the’ church. They are simply ‘a’ church. This is basic Catholic ecclesiology.) It is also not surprising that Westen misses the irony of Strickland being totally out of touch with the purpose and practice of Eucharist liturgy. The mass is most certainly ‘about us.’ It is a gathering of the community and a communal action. With out ‘us’ there is no mass nor a need. Maybe one of the apostolic visitors can get him up to speed on why his take on the ‘TLM’ is among the foundational reasons the reformed mass was and is needed. I don't think that Strickland's reference to the Mass not being "about us" excludes the communal nature of it. It's a "both/and", not an "either/or". Reference to the faithful offering the sacrifice in union with the priest abound within the Tridentine missal --- ut meum et vestrum sacrificium, offerimus tibi Domine, and references all throughout the Canon. Pope St Pius X called upon the faithful to "pray the Mass". Specific references to what the laity are supposed to do, or not do, during the Mass, are absent from the Tridentine missal. I see nothing in there that could have precluded such "communal" things as bringing up gifts for the offertory, or even culturally conditioned demonstrations of piety such as applauding at the consecration as some Africans do. I'll put it this way, if I were a missionary priest in Africa, and the faithful broke out into applause at the elevation, I wouldn't tell them not to do that. |
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Post by ralfy on Aug 7, 2023 10:51:07 GMT
It's not an attack on the deposit of faith. If any, it puts to question the irrationality of his stance.
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