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Post by homeschooldad on Aug 27, 2023 4:58:59 GMT
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Post by ralfy on Aug 28, 2023 2:20:22 GMT
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Post by blackforest on Sept 1, 2023 0:13:11 GMT
Both are licit. This fact can only be controversial among those who go out of their way to controvert it. But that said, I see the Pope intervening as a way to ameliorate the divisiveness, not exacerbate it. He has routinely and rightfully called out a growing subculture of vitriol against the Ordinary Form serving as a guise for outright rejecting Vatican II.
I honestly wish this division would go away - that they can go to their Mass, I can go to mine, and we all leave each other alone. "In division there is sin," Origen reputedly said. The Enemy is getting a good chuckle out of all of this pettiness.
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Post by homeschooldad on Sept 18, 2023 19:13:40 GMT
I honestly wish this division would go away - that they can go to their Mass, I can go to mine, and we all leave each other alone. "In division there is sin," Origen reputedly said. The Enemy is getting a good chuckle out of all of this pettiness. It won't go away. The Traditionalist movement, especially in a America, will throw a temper tantrum anytime the people at the top do something they don't like. Pope Francis changed the Catechism regarding the Death Penalty a few years ago and they all threw a fit. Then you have Bishops like Strickland that are fanning the flames of Schism and such. It's a nightmare. I am, in many ways, a "traditionalist", and I didn't "throw a fit" when the Catechism was revised to teach the inadmissibility of the death penalty in today's world. The teaching hasn't changed, the circumstances have. Strickland is simply rebuking his brother bishop, in this case Francis, much as Paul did Peter. He's not coming up with any novelties. His mode of expression may be a bit imprudent --- something about the old adage "don't **** where you eat" --- and is a good way to lose one's job, but nothing he is saying is in error. |
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Post by farronwolf on Sept 18, 2023 20:04:44 GMT
Strickland is simply rebuking his brother bishop, in this case Francis, much as Paul did Peter. He's not coming up with any novelties. His mode of expression may be a bit imprudent --- something about the old adage "don't **** where you eat" --- and is a good way to lose one's job, but nothing he is saying is in error. No, Strickland has openly accused (he signed a document) claiming the Pope is a Heretic. Strickland is disgusting, and it should be no surprised that a man who constantly borders the line of Schism is under investigation. I suppose you can be forgive because you Americans seem to have a hard time of understanding that American Conservatism != Catholic, and there is no "Pope Trump I". He's also gone to other dioceses to stir the pot. Stay in your own lane! Strickland is a terrible Bishop and everyone outside of the Ultra Ridged Conservative Sphere sees it. He makes me ashamed to be Catholic. Thank god Pope Francis is out Pope. Here's to hoping in addition to defrocking him he Pope Slaps him. If Strickland resigns for some reason, he will not be laicized, he will remain a Bishop. He will most likely remain in the Diocese of Tyler, and may be asked to assist from the new Bishop. If a new Bishop doesn't request that Strickland have a task within the Diocese, Strickland would be free to do whatever work he saw fit to do on his own. Since Strickland grew up in our diocese, I don't see why he would move anywhere else. |
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Post by homeschooldad on Sept 18, 2023 20:10:07 GMT
No, Strickland has openly accused (he signed a document) claiming the Pope is a Heretic. Strickland is disgusting, and it should be no surprised that a man who constantly borders the line of Schism is under investigation. I suppose you can be forgive because you Americans seem to have a hard time of understanding that American Conservatism != Catholic, and there is no "Pope Trump I". He's also gone to other dioceses to stir the pot. Stay in your own lane! Strickland is a terrible Bishop and everyone outside of the Ultra Ridged Conservative Sphere sees it. He makes me ashamed to be Catholic. Thank god Pope Francis is out Pope. Here's to hoping in addition to defrocking him he Pope Slaps him. If Strickland resigns for some reason, he will not be laicized, he will remain a Bishop. He will most likely remain in the Diocese of Tyler, and may be asked to assist from the new Bishop. If a new Bishop doesn't request that Strickland have a task within the Diocese, Strickland would be free to do whatever work he saw fit to do on his own. Since Strickland grew up in our diocese, I don't see why he would move anywhere else. I have wondered if they might appoint an auxiliary or even coadjutor bishop, to be the eminence grise in that diocese while Strickland remains nominally the diocesan bishop. That's what they did in Seattle with Archbishop Hunthausen. Tyler is a small diocese that doesn't really need an extra bishop, but that would be the Pope's call. |
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Post by farronwolf on Sept 18, 2023 20:29:24 GMT
If Strickland resigns for some reason, he will not be laicized, he will remain a Bishop. He will most likely remain in the Diocese of Tyler, and may be asked to assist from the new Bishop. If a new Bishop doesn't request that Strickland have a task within the Diocese, Strickland would be free to do whatever work he saw fit to do on his own. Since Strickland grew up in our diocese, I don't see why he would move anywhere else. No, the Vatican themselves is currently investigating Strickland. It is very possible they may defrock him, something I full heartily support. I apologize if I was unclear. He will not be laicized. Yes, a couple of Bishops came to visit Strickland on the Vatican's behalf. Our previous Biship Corrada, who is the prelate for Puerto Rico also came to visit with Strickland within the previous month or so. Again, he will not be laicized, at most the Pope may ask for his resignation, but that is speculation at this point. |
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Post by Dominic on Sept 18, 2023 22:06:19 GMT
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Post by farronwolf on Sept 19, 2023 15:40:48 GMT
There was some inquiry into why the Diocese has had a turn over of the Chief Financial Officer position in the recent past. Whether or not it relates to financial practices in the Diocese or the people who have held the position is not known. Hopefully there has not been any financial funny business going on within the Dioceses. Overall I believe Bishop Strickland is a good Bishop, I feel he just needs to spend more time focused on his Diocese and less time in the public political sphere. |
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Post by Dominic on Sept 20, 2023 2:04:57 GMT
I feel he just needs to spend more time focused on his Diocese and less time in the public political sphere. Unfortunately, I think he has fallen too much in love with being in the media all the time and being an alt-right celebrity. I think he's shooting for "martyr" or "icon" status, like Vigano. I also hope there's no funny money business going on, too. Financial scandals can scare even the most hardened believers away. My own brother left the church because of diocesan financial shenanigans to avoid paying abuse victims. He went from devote Catholic to ardent anti-Catholic as if a switch had been turned on. Can't say I blame him at all, though. His bishop is going to have to answer for that on Judgement Day. |
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