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Post by homeschooldad on Oct 12, 2023 4:31:53 GMT
www.lifesitenews.com/news/cdl-burke-reiterates-church-teaching-on-danger-of-receiving-holy-communion-while-in-mortal-sinA much-needed warning here, rooted in Scripture. One suggestion: clarify the terms and use them consistently. All this talk of "grave sin", "serious sin", and at one point in this article, "grave serious sin", is very confusing to the uninformed. Keep it simple. Mortal sin consists of: - grave matter
- sufficient reflection (you know it is grave matter)
- full consent of the will (you fully want to do it)
This is not complicated stuff. It's reiterated in the most recent Catechism.
Do people know what mortal sin is anymore? What specific sins and kinds of sins are "grave matter"?
Bring this back as vest-pocket knowledge, and that would go a long way towards restoring the Church.
It's needed far more than any synod.
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Post by tisbearself on Oct 12, 2023 10:51:12 GMT
People actually do know what mortal sin is, but they spend a lot of time trying to convince themselves it isn’t that bad so they can keep doing it. Especially if it involves sex and relationships. BTDT.
Ideally they would prefer a priest or the Pope to relieve their inner guilt by telling them their sin isn’t so bad or is even okay. That’s why we get all this business about “I don’t feel welcome”, because “welcome” to those people means “tell me it’s okay for me to live like I’m living and don’t call it a sin.”
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Post by homeschooldad on Oct 12, 2023 19:01:20 GMT
People actually do know what mortal sin is, but they spend a lot of time trying to convince themselves it isn’t that bad so they can keep doing it. Especially if it involves sex and relationships. BTDT. Ideally they would prefer a priest or the Pope to relieve their inner guilt by telling them their sin isn’t so bad or is even okay. That’s why we get all this business about “I don’t feel welcome”, because “welcome” to those people means “tell me it’s okay for me to live like I’m living and don’t call it a sin.” I don't know if many of them do or not. I'm not sure if many people are aware of the tripartite definition of mortal sin. They might think that someone such as Charles Manson, Ted Bundy, or Adolf Hitler were in mortal sin, but as for the average Catholic having fulfilled those three conditions, they still tend to think in terms of everyone, including folks whose behavior fulfills those criteria but are "not as bad as" Manson, Bundy, or Hitler, being worthy of heaven immediately upon death. (As to purgatory, read any obituary, or just listen to what people say when someone dies.) All this word salad of "grave sin", "serious sin", "grave serious sin", "serious mortal sin", and so on, just serves to muddy the waters. |
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Post by homeschooldad on Oct 12, 2023 21:56:54 GMT
And this from Bishop Strickland regarding sin and salvation: www.churchmilitant.com/news/article/bp-strickland-are-all-men-are-savedHe even takes Bishop Barron to task, however mildly. Faithful orthodox, tradition-minded Catholics, even prelates, can and do disagree amongst themselves --- and that's okay. Michael Voris takes a dim view of both the SSPX and sedevacantists. Other commentators do not. We can all pull in the same direction without being una voce dicentes about each and every matter. |
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Post by tisbearself on Oct 13, 2023 1:21:52 GMT
People actually do know what mortal sin is, but they spend a lot of time trying to convince themselves it isn’t that bad so they can keep doing it. Especially if it involves sex and relationships. BTDT. Ideally they would prefer a priest or the Pope to relieve their inner guilt by telling them their sin isn’t so bad or is even okay. That’s why we get all this business about “I don’t feel welcome”, because “welcome” to those people means “tell me it’s okay for me to live like I’m living and don’t call it a sin.” I don't know if many of them do or not. I'm not sure if many people are aware of the tripartite definition of mortal sin. They might think that someone such as Charles Manson, Ted Bundy, or Adolf Hitler were in mortal sin, but as for the average Catholic having fulfilled those three conditions, they still tend to think in terms of everyone, including folks whose behavior fulfills those criteria but are "not as bad as" Manson, Bundy, or Hitler, being worthy of heaven immediately upon death. (As to purgatory, read any obituary, or just listen to what people say when someone dies.) All this word salad of "grave sin", "serious sin", "grave serious sin", "serious mortal sin", and so on, just serves to muddy the waters. They may tell you that's what they think. At 2 am when they are worried about their ultimate fate, or where their Uncle George or best friend who just OD'ed really ended up, they may express different concerns, although most don't care about the word salad, they're just nervous of going to hell. |
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Post by homeschooldad on Oct 14, 2023 2:15:58 GMT
I don't know if many of them do or not. I'm not sure if many people are aware of the tripartite definition of mortal sin. They might think that someone such as Charles Manson, Ted Bundy, or Adolf Hitler were in mortal sin, but as for the average Catholic having fulfilled those three conditions, they still tend to think in terms of everyone, including folks whose behavior fulfills those criteria but are "not as bad as" Manson, Bundy, or Hitler, being worthy of heaven immediately upon death. (As to purgatory, read any obituary, or just listen to what people say when someone dies.) All this word salad of "grave sin", "serious sin", "grave serious sin", "serious mortal sin", and so on, just serves to muddy the waters. They may tell you that's what they think. At 2 am when they are worried about their ultimate fate, or where their Uncle George or best friend who just OD'ed really ended up, they may express different concerns, although most don't care about the word salad, they're just nervous of going to hell. I really can't say whether people think that way anymore or not. I do know that very few people go to confession anymore, and practically everyone goes to communion. Maybe people just sin less than they used to. I'd like to know their secret, because I surely could use some help in sinning less. Try as I do, I just can't get the hang of it. |
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Post by tisbearself on Oct 14, 2023 2:54:05 GMT
They may tell you that's what they think. At 2 am when they are worried about their ultimate fate, or where their Uncle George or best friend who just OD'ed really ended up, they may express different concerns, although most don't care about the word salad, they're just nervous of going to hell. I really can't say whether people think that way anymore or not. I do know that very few people go to confession anymore, and practically everyone goes to communion. Maybe people just sin less than they used to. I'd like to know their secret, because I surely could use some help in sinning less. Try as I do, I just can't get the hang of it. Do you not talk to ppl and read what they post? |
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Post by homeschooldad on Oct 14, 2023 4:17:19 GMT
I really can't say whether people think that way anymore or not. I do know that very few people go to confession anymore, and practically everyone goes to communion. Maybe people just sin less than they used to. I'd like to know their secret, because I surely could use some help in sinning less. Try as I do, I just can't get the hang of it. Do you not talk to ppl and read what they post? People who post wouldn't be representative of Catholics as a whole. There aren't that many people, of whatever stripe of opinion, who post on Catholic forums and blogs. As far as talking to Catholics IRL, I spend most of my time in TLM circles, and they wouldn't be representative of Catholics as a whole either. I live in an area where Catholics are in the single digits of percentage. Protestants tend to be either of the "everybody goes to heaven" mindset on the one hand, or "either saved or lost" on the other. I run into far more of the former. The unchurched tend to be universalists (unless they are atheists or agnostics). |
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Post by tisbearself on Oct 14, 2023 5:42:11 GMT
I don't mean on Catholic forums. I have a couple hundred friends on social media and I think exactly one of them is on a Catholic forum. People post about their thoughts, hopes, fears, religious ideas many places. Or they just decide to talk to me about their thoughts, like over beers. Often what they say is not what I expect.
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Post by homeschooldad on Oct 14, 2023 6:15:44 GMT
I don't mean on Catholic forums. I have a couple hundred friends on social media and I think exactly one of them is on a Catholic forum. People post about their thoughts, hopes, fears, religious ideas many places. Or they just decide to talk to me about their thoughts, like over beers. Often what they say is not what I expect. Much of my secular social media activity is about technical issues, and religion typically doesn't come up. I did contact a guy who had a massive piece of equipment that he offered to sell me, but it would have required renting a truck and driving 200 miles each way (shipping would have cost even more), so I wasn't able to get it. Somehow, religion came up --- IIRC he had been in an evangelical seminary or something --- and he noted, with sympathy for the traditionalist cause, the upheaval that has existed in the Catholic Church after Vatican II. We were basically of the same mind. We didn't get into questions of ultimate destiny. Many Protestants "get it" as regards the challenges that tradition-minded Catholics face. |
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