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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2020 16:47:39 GMT
pianistclare If an entire generation skips going to college, I think the pros would outweigh the cons. For our society at least. Maybe more children raised in the faith would keep it? I know when my kids get older, I'm going to strongly encourage them to discern vocations to the priesthood and monastic orders. Outside of that, I will strongly encourage them to pursue trades. Actually universities just seem like indoctrination camps these days.
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Post by pianistclare on Dec 19, 2020 1:44:43 GMT
Well, I two degrees and have never wavered from the faith. One in Music, and one in Catholic Theology. Attending a college with a great Newman Center is a good idea. Make sure you often invite the priests over for dinner, game night, bar-b-ques etc. Many kids never really meet a priest personally. That alone thwarts vocations. But don't voice disappointment in whatever they choose. A married man can serve as a Deacon, and there are oodles of Third orders for both sexes. Strong faith is modeled at home, which I'm sure you know well. This will enable you to trust your kids to make good decisions. Peace.
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Post by ralfy on Dec 20, 2020 2:34:15 GMT
It's best to be prudent given the high costs of health care and long COVID.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2020 8:30:26 GMT
pianistclare I definitely pray for my son to have a vocation to marriage and the priesthood. In the Eastern Catholic Churches married men are ordained to the priesthood (as well as celibate men). I have prayed long and hard for my son to be a priest, but I would love to be blessed with grandchildren some day, and see the Church continue to grow, in more ways than one.
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Post by niceatheist on Dec 20, 2020 16:10:26 GMT
We have remained open, but we are live streaming, which is a farce. Those of us Administrators of YouTube site and the FB page can see the stats. People log on, say "and with your spirit" ion the comments and leave. I fear the elders will never come back. we can tell by the Sunday school attendance online on Zoom and also in person classes. Down at least 25%. The biggest mistake was letting people say "Mass is not an essential service!". Once people say enough times they begin to believe it. That was the biggest mistake IMO. And Zoom? I can tell you if I had kids they wouldn't be using a question product that is constantly spying on you. That thing is worse that Facebook/Google combined. Even the USCCB accepts lock downs are necessary. Is public in person mass more important as Matthew 22:39?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2020 17:35:39 GMT
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Post by niceatheist on Dec 20, 2020 23:23:41 GMT
Even the USCCB accepts lock downs are necessary. Is public in person mass more important as Matthew 22:39? I'm not the best debater, or explaining kind of guy, I can only offer my views on the subject. Hope that's okay. I think at some point it goes too far. We can't live in fear the rest of our lives, and at some point people need to be able to asses the risk for themselves and make their own decision. If I get the illness, I'll gladly take my place at the back the line for treatment. Just like alcoholics who damage their liver are at the back of the line for a transplant. Throughout History Priests and laymen have gone through great risks to celebrate mass. Not just a virus, but even the threat of being killed for simply trying to practice their beliefs. Pandemics are not persecutions. They are driven by pathogens, and frankly if you love your neighbor, you will find other ways to worship that don't endanger them. I can't be any more blunt than that. Otherwise, to my outside view, faith isn't selfless, it becomes a selfish act that is all about you.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2020 1:26:54 GMT
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Post by niceatheist on Dec 21, 2020 4:48:28 GMT
Pandemics are not persecutions. They are driven by pathogens, and frankly if you love your neighbor, you will find other ways to worship that don't endanger them. I can't be any more blunt than that. Otherwise, to my outside view, faith isn't selfless, it becomes a selfish act that is all about you. I agree, they are driven pathogens. There's pathogens covid or not. There's flu pathogens, but not everyone gets the flu vaccine. There's Tuberculous pathogens, but not everyone gets that vaccine either. I agree, pandemics are not persecutions, however the response sure is. I can't say how things are in your neck of the woods, but in my area: Beer and Weed Stores? Open. Sex Toy Shops? Open. And our "Top Doctor" has suggested using Glory Holes. Big Box Stores? Open. Abortion Clinics? Open. Small Family/Locally Owned Stores? Heavily Restricted. Churches? Heavily Restricted, but our Primer has said they'll be forced to be closed come the end of the week until further notice (The morning of December 24th no less). It sounds to me like the application of said restrictions is very one sided. I can visit a glory hole, but I can't go to a confessional to get a confession. And about loving one's neighbor? Couldn't the same be said about them? If they loved me, why can't they stay home while I go about my day if they're so worried about the virus? You're last paragraph sounds childeshly selfish, even petulant. I expect better than that. And in my area, where physical distancing can be guaranteed, a business may remain open, but churches, theaters and gyms have pretty much shut down. Do you believe Ina forgiving god, or one who demands blind adherence to ritual regardless of consequences to others?
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Post by josh987654321 on Dec 21, 2020 6:53:51 GMT
Even the USCCB accepts lock downs are necessary. Is public in person mass more important as Matthew 22:39? The USCCB has long since been compromised in various ways and you know what we say about taking versus out of context.
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Post by josh987654321 on Dec 21, 2020 7:20:35 GMT
You're last paragraph sounds childeshly selfish, even petulant. I expect better than that. And in my area, where physical distancing can be guaranteed, a business may remain open, but churches, theaters and gyms have pretty much shut down. Do you believe In a forgiving god, or one who demands blind adherence to ritual regardless of consequences to others? Hurling insults like this shows 3 things IMO, 1) Your ignorance in regards to Catholicism and the Sacraments. 2) Your ignorance to some degree in regards to the Pandemic and COVID 19 including the measures taken in various Countries to combat it and 3) Your insecurities and fear due to the fearmongering of COVID 19 from our propaganda.
1) In regards to Catholicism, Sacraments such as the Holy Eucharist and Confession cannot be had at home, so if it were serious enough, one would have to make a perfect act of contrition and spiritual communion at home until they can receive these sacraments in person again, it is not something that is done lightly at all and certainly not something permanent. If essential services can operate with precautions then so can the Mass, this is not some Gym or Theater, and it is very insulting to compare them to such things, the Mass is absolutely an essential service and to deem on a whim from those who are not even Catholic that it's a non essential service (or of little importance) and thus easily shut down is indeed a persecution. Just as the Soviets and other Atheist regimes persecuted Christians for they couldn't care less and thought it was all nonsense to be eliminated anyway.
2) In regards to this Pandemic, at first when we didn't know much about the virus the lockdowns were warranted for a short time, and even then there were ways to continue Mass in very limited numbers and spread out etc but once we learned more about it we learned of not only the contradictory and ineffective nature in which many of these restrictions have been enacted but that the virus itself has a 98.56% survival rate at worst (That's the worst statistic from the CDC) and now it's more like 99 something percent, add to that the totally unscientific suppression of effective treatments such as the Hydroxychloroquine, Zinc and Anitbiotics combo and the fact that heavily locked down States have performed no different and even worse to the others and there are so many other reasons I could list, and this attempt of emotional blackmail to control others through ones own fears and insecurities fails spectacularly IMO.
If one feels it's too dangerous to go to Mass with reasonable precautions, why do they think it's safe to go Grocery shopping or any number of other things? If it's so dangerous they are free to stay home or not hold a Mass, but it is totally unjust to prevent others from going to Mass or holding a Mass who wish to, this would be like preventing everyone from driving until there are 0 deaths or injuries on our roads, most of us just follow the road rules and drive carefully and even then we are taking a risk.
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Post by josh987654321 on Dec 21, 2020 7:43:15 GMT
Furthermore, just like the Soviets, Nazis and every other totalitarian regime in history, all you do is push it underground, for it is impossible to micro manage large societies, like I said before, if the people themselves cannot be trusted to handle it properly, then what makes you think you can pick someone from among that same untrustworthy group to dictate to us all?
And like I've also said elsewhere, they'd have the Mass closed, yet expect us to all buy groceries at the same place (for all the small businesses were shut)and thus all passing through the same areas and go to work, send kids to school/day care etc so you get covid anyway if it's coming for you and all these efforts and pains were futile. If these people lived for a few seconds outside their imaginary worlds and bubbles, they'd see what a total joke some of these lock down measures have been such as mask wearing especially. A neighbor came around the other day and had his mask on inside out and couldn't recall if it was new or not lol, he has early signs of dementia and looks and sounds exactly like Biden.
The key is at the border and making sure those with symptoms stay home and take care not to spread it, if the Country doesn't control the border, then anything they do inside the Country is minimal at best and you simply cannot lock everyone in the basement, it is not logical or practical.
Even Dr Fauci said masks are minimal at best as people touch them, reuse them, adjust them, have a false sense of security, use the wrong type or don't wear them properly etc and he was right, but then later said he lied to us because they wanted to reserve stock for the medical community, which then begs the question if he had no qualms lying to us then, why should we trust anything he says now?
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Post by josh987654321 on Dec 21, 2020 8:15:02 GMT
The whole thing reminds me of the Joker in the Batman movie with Christian Bale, if you say 2 people died and 20 were injured in road accidents today, or 10 died from heart attacks and 30 had a stroke or whatever, people shrug it off, but say the same for a highly infectious, invisible virus and everyone loses their minds.... even healthy people are carriers and highly dangerous? ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!
Never mind that those without symptoms if carriers have a much lower viral load and thus not near as contagious as those with symptoms lol.
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Post by josh987654321 on Dec 21, 2020 12:57:37 GMT
And apparently there is a new strain in the UK that spreads 70 TIMES FASTER!!! Don't worry where that figure comes from, or how this effects rushed experimental mRNA Vaccines (TAKE IT!), or how deadly the new strain is or not.... All you need to know is PANIC!!!!!!!!! and quickly get this radically new mRNA Vaccine that's been emergency approved, it's legit, pinky promise, at $20 a pop would I lie to you? lol Oh and be sure to report on your neighbors as remember, the only good neighbor is a distant neighbor. ... As always, even though your neighbor might look healthy with no symptoms of any kind, he is one breath away from killing you and all those you care about! So stay away! stay protected! stay silent! stay compliant! and stay safe!
Also be sure to report anyone non compliant, it only works if everyone does it, and if everyone does it... no promises.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2020 14:07:07 GMT
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