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Post by ralfy on Nov 14, 2023 1:05:55 GMT
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Post by blackforest on Nov 15, 2023 18:38:29 GMT
Nah he was probably doing something whack with the finances or management of his diocese. I hope the Pillar or somebody who's not a frothing-at-the-mouth anti-conservative blogger can ferret out the whole story.
So I'm thinking it was something a bit less banal than financial mismanagement. I realize that Church hierarchy is a very different animal than most of the mundane jobs that we commoners hold, but I can't imagine keeping my job long if I treated my boss the same way.
This is one of many cases when I'm really glad that, as laity, I don't get to see the sausage being made . . .
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Post by farronwolf on Nov 15, 2023 19:52:34 GMT
Can. 1371 — § 1. A person who does not obey the lawful command or prohibition of the Apostolic See or the Ordinary or Superior and, after being warned, persists in disobedience, is to be punished, according to the gravity of the case, with a censure or deprivation of office or with other penalties mentioned in can. 1336, §§ 2-4.
As I indicated in a previous post somewhere, and as Bishop Strickland has admitted, he did not follow the guidelines in Traditionis Custodes. All he had to do was follow the guidance in Art. 5, and give permission to those who requested to continue to celebrate the EF Mass.
Add to that the waffling back and forth as to whether or not Pope Francis is a valid Pope, well, that gives additional reasons.
I looked over the finances posted on our diocese website, and the only thing that really stands out is that the debt guaranteed by the bishop doubled from 2021 to 2022, from about 3 million to 6 million. If you add the 3 million project that recently started at our parish, that number is probably about 7.5 or 8 million now. Not certain if there are other big projects going on within the diocese or not.
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Post by tisbearself on Nov 15, 2023 21:19:08 GMT
The problem with the Pope busting Strickland is that he continues to let the German bishops blatantly disregard Vatican directives and Church teaching with zero connection sequences. It's definitely uneven enforcement and thus lacks credibility unless like I said there was some serious irregularity we are not aware of. It's also my understanding that the bishops who made the visitation had already given a negative report and recommended removal some time before Strickland's public comments got extreme, so it might be a case of a bishop with nothing more to lose knowing he would be fired anyway and deciding to go out with a bang.
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Post by farronwolf on Nov 15, 2023 22:02:53 GMT
Tis, I agree completely with being just with removals.
I think I read somewhere that one of the German Bishops has been removed recently, but not certain for what.
We can all hope that the German Bishops who are allowing or promoting anything close to blessings of unions of same sex people, vs blessing of the individuals, are on their way towards removal from their positions. I know very little about the Church in Germany, and whether or not there are still clergy there who would be able to assume the vacated Bishop positions when that time comes.
The removal of Bishop Strickland has got our dioceses in a bad place right now. Hopefully Strickland will find a meaningful calling and can help with the healing process whenever we are assigned a new Bishop.
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Post by homeschooldad on Nov 16, 2023 3:39:55 GMT
Can. 1371 — § 1. A person who does not obey the lawful command or prohibition of the Apostolic See or the Ordinary or Superior and, after being warned, persists in disobedience, is to be punished, according to the gravity of the case, with a censure or deprivation of office or with other penalties mentioned in can. 1336, §§ 2-4. As I indicated in a previous post somewhere, and as Bishop Strickland has admitted, he did not follow the guidelines in Traditionis Custodes. All he had to do was follow the guidance in Art. 5, and give permission to those who requested to continue to celebrate the EF Mass. Add to that the waffling back and forth as to whether or not Pope Francis is a valid Pope, well, that gives additional reasons. I looked over the finances posted on our diocese website, and the only thing that really stands out is that the debt guaranteed by the bishop doubled from 2021 to 2022, from about 3 million to 6 million. If you add the 3 million project that recently started at our parish, that number is probably about 7.5 or 8 million now. Not certain if there are other big projects going on within the diocese or not. I don't think dragging his feet on TC played into why he was removed. There are other bishops who have interpreted and implemented TC in the most liberal fashion possible. But they didn't criticize Pope Francis the way Strickland did. I agree with practically everything Strickland has said, but being as vocal about it as he was, getting canned was pretty much a foregone conclusion. |
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Post by homeschooldad on Nov 20, 2023 1:56:01 GMT
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Post by tisbearself on Nov 20, 2023 2:30:02 GMT
Well, it's pretty obvious that the deacon is the head of the Bishop Strickland Fan Club. I'm sure he's sincere but his diaconate experience might not have been everybody else's.
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Post by farronwolf on Nov 20, 2023 4:07:40 GMT
I am sure the deacon is sincere, but you are right that other deacons may have very different experiences.
The only comment I have regarding the interview is that the Diocese of Tyler doesn't have an active deacon formation program. We haven't had a deacon ordained in this diocese in probably 10 years or so, and as far as I know there are no current participants studying for the deaconate.
One of the members of our parish had to go through the program in the Little Rock Diocese and has subsequently, after his ordination began serving in the Little Rock Diocese.
The Veritatis Splendor group is questionable in my mind as well. Not the people who are wanting to live there necessarily, but the leadership has had some scandal crop up.
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Post by tisbearself on Nov 20, 2023 17:40:47 GMT
Yeah, I'm not a supporter of Veritatis Splendor. I am distrustful of lay groups in general and that one seems to be pretty questionable.
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Post by homeschooldad on Nov 20, 2023 19:03:08 GMT
Well, it's pretty obvious that the deacon is the head of the Bishop Strickland Fan Club. I'm sure he's sincere but his diaconate experience might not have been everybody else's. Yes, it was quite the encomium, and in the interest of fairness, I'd want to hear other points of view. Not saying he was, and in the name of charity I'm going to assume he wasn't until I hear otherwise, but I've had to wonder a bit at the "boss from hell" allegations. I've had a few of those myself, and while their "favorites" can't sing their praises highly enough, those who aren't quite with their program, or who run afoul of them, have other stories to tell. There are many bosses who have overly romanticized notions of what their subordinates can accomplish. |
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Post by tisbearself on Nov 20, 2023 22:16:15 GMT
Well, it's pretty obvious that the deacon is the head of the Bishop Strickland Fan Club. I'm sure he's sincere but his diaconate experience might not have been everybody else's. Yes, it was quite the encomium, and in the interest of fairness, I'd want to hear other points of view. Not saying he was, and in the name of charity I'm going to assume he wasn't until I hear otherwise, but I've had to wonder a bit at the "boss from hell" allegations. I've had a few of those myself, and while their "favorites" can't sing their praises highly enough, those who aren't quite with their program, or who run afoul of them, have other stories to tell. There are many bosses who have overly romanticized notions of what their subordinates can accomplish. It seems like Father Kelly, who as evidenced from his brogue is not from USA much less from Tyler, and from his bio was invited to come over from Ireland by a previous bishop, is the main source of the "boss from hell" allegations. I deduced that he and Bishop Strickland probably weren't buddy-buddy. In addition it seems highly likely that Father Kelly leans progressive/ supports Pope Francis since his entire oeuvre in Tyler since he was brought over by Strickland's predecessor has involved working with the poor. He probably thinks Pope Francis is the greatest thing since sliced bread. Which is understandable, but when Fr. Kelly starts acting like a typical Irish (from Ireland, not Irish-American) authoritarian priest and literally wagging his finger at the Catholic audience on camera and lecturing them that a real Catholic does NOT criticize the Pope, it's like dude, learn some synodality or maybe just go back to Ireland because you sure don't fit in around Tyler Texas. Bishop Strickland on the other hand is born and bred right in that diocese. I would think he has a better handle on what people there think, want and need than some guy who's not only not from Texas, but not even from the USA and has only been here 20 years. |
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Post by blackforest on Nov 23, 2023 22:40:15 GMT
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Post by homeschooldad on Nov 23, 2023 22:47:41 GMT
Well, it depends on one's vantage point. If one likes the direction that the Church has taken during the pontificate of Francis, then you're not going to like Strickland. If one has reservations about that direction, then you are going to like Strickland. I don't like that direction, and I do like Strickland very much. He might have done some talking when he should have been listening, and that's on him, but as to his message, I have no issues with it. I think he's pretty clear that racism is evil. |
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Post by homeschooldad on Nov 24, 2023 3:45:59 GMT
www.lifesitenews.com/opinion/pope-francis-does-not-have-the-right-to-dismiss-bishop-strickland-without-causeI'm going to put this out here just as it stands, however, I would add the following caveats: - Define "dismiss". Strickland has not been removed from the episcopate, not laicized, not put under any sanction whatsoever. He was simply removed from his diocese. Bishops are reassigned all the time, and they also retire. There are bishops who are neither ordinaries nor in any other relationship to a diocese (coadjutor, assistant, etc.). Strickland is now just one more of them.
- If there were matters of "administration", then that was not exactly "without cause".
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