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Post by homeschooldad on Nov 23, 2023 18:47:17 GMT
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Post by homeschooldad on Nov 24, 2023 8:38:26 GMT
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Post by tisbearself on Nov 24, 2023 14:53:23 GMT
I'd rather treat it as a Catholic holiday than a Pilgrim holiday. Indigenous people/ colonization issues aside, the Puritans were not only anti-Catholic but also just authoritarian and intolerant in general, and I don't much feel like celebrating them.
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Post by homeschooldad on Nov 24, 2023 19:41:06 GMT
I'd rather treat it as a Catholic holiday than a Pilgrim holiday. Indigenous people/ colonization issues aside, the Puritans were not only anti-Catholic but also just authoritarian and intolerant in general, and I don't much feel like celebrating them. Yes, but their spiritual descendants wrote the narrative, and that's what children are taught in school. Yet one more reason we homeschool. To be fair, though, when men, women, and children get in a boat and sail 3000 miles over open ocean, to find a place to practice their religion, I'm going to assume their sincerity and bona fides. |
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Post by Dominic on Nov 25, 2023 19:37:19 GMT
To be fair, though, when men, women, and children get in a boat and sail 3000 miles over open ocean, to find a place to practice their religion, I'm going to assume their sincerity and bona fides. What about Jonestown? |
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Post by Dominic on Nov 25, 2023 22:17:23 GMT
Actually, that last post can come across as flippant, which was not my intent. I remember being deeply shocked seeing the pictures from Jonestown. Graphic news content like that was a practically unheard of at that time, save a few photos from Vietnam, so it made quite an impact. One of my religious studies professors questioned the sincerity of their faith. I begged to disagree, and said I saw no reason to think that their faith was any less sincere than mine or his. As for religious freedom, the Pilgrims believed that that applied exclusively to themselves. All others, including Catholics, had no rights at all. It didn't take long before a group of colonists persecuted under the Puritans escaped and founded their own colony, Rhode Island. |
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Post by homeschooldad on Nov 26, 2023 0:20:24 GMT
Actually, that last post can come across as flippant, which was not my intent. I remember being deeply shocked seeing the pictures from Jonestown. Graphic news content like that was a practically unheard of at that time, save a few photos from Vietnam, so it made quite an impact. One of my religious studies professors questioned the sincerity of their faith. I begged to disagree, and said I saw no reason to think that their faith was any less sincere than mine or his. As for religious freedom, the Pilgrims believed that that applied exclusively to themselves. All others, including Catholics, had no rights at all. It didn't take long before a group of colonists persecuted under the Puritans escaped and founded their own colony, Rhode Island. I didn't find it offensive (but then again it takes a LOT to offend me), in fact, my answer would be "yes, them too". Jim Jones's adherents weren't bad people, they just got caught up in a cult under the thrall of a very bad leader. You have to be careful blindly following leaders. On a personal note, I found Jonestown deeply disturbing (really, the only appropriate response), and it challenged my faith in religion in general. Thankfully, I finally found my way to discovering truth as opposed to leaders who purport to teach truth, some do, some don't. |
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Post by blackforest on Nov 27, 2023 0:52:52 GMT
Actually, that last post can come across as flippant, which was not my intent. I remember being deeply shocked seeing the pictures from Jonestown. Graphic news content like that was a practically unheard of at that time, save a few photos from Vietnam, so it made quite an impact. One of my religious studies professors questioned the sincerity of their faith. I begged to disagree, and said I saw no reason to think that their faith was any less sincere than mine or his. As for religious freedom, the Pilgrims believed that that applied exclusively to themselves. All others, including Catholics, had no rights at all. It didn't take long before a group of colonists persecuted under the Puritans escaped and founded their own colony, Rhode Island. On a personal note, I found Jonestown deeply disturbing (really, the only appropriate response), and it challenged my faith in religion in general. Thankfully, I finally found my way to discovering truth as opposed to leaders who purport to teach truth, some do, some don't. My cousin had an identical experience to yours. She was already raised in an atheist/agnostic household, so there was no faith to challenge in her case. But it sealed the deal for her that religion is to be avoided. She's worth praying for - "With God, all things are possible."  |
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