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Post by homeschooldad on Dec 5, 2023 18:11:01 GMT
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Post by tisbearself on Dec 5, 2023 21:12:28 GMT
Man that article is depressing to read even before I got to the part actually about Sacrosanctum concilium.
I’m still slogging through Lumen Gentium. Which is largely a giant “thank you, Captain Obvious” at this point in time, except maybe for the stuff about councils that required an addendum to sort out.
Every time I see one of these Vatican documents I think “This could have been an e-mail” or at least a PowerPoint.
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Post by homeschooldad on Dec 6, 2023 1:08:27 GMT
Man that article is depressing to read even before I got to the part actually about Sacrosanctum concilium. I’m still slogging through Lumen Gentium. Which is largely a giant “thank you, Captain Obvious” at this point in time, except maybe for the stuff about councils that required an addendum to sort out. Every time I see one of these Vatican documents I think “This could have been an e-mail” or at least a PowerPoint. One school of thought says that Vatican II documents are so prolix and overwritten to allow for multiple interpretations, IOW, so that people coming at them from different angles can extract out of them what they want to. With all of the logorrhea that is so rampant nowadays, heaven help us if Vatican II had taken place today rather than 60-odd years ago. The canons and decrees of the Council of Trent (which I have) are the essence of brevity, and the entire book could be read by a dedicated reader in a long day with no distractions. The disease of today's world is to talk everything to death, and to write endlessly. Thousand-page novels are pretty much the norm. Sadly, the Church has also caught this disease, and not just in progressivist circles. Many years ago, I allowed my subscription to The Wanderer to expire, because the articles were long-winded and buried some of the main points deep in the text in the fashion of a serious European or Latin American newspaper, and if you'd read one week's edition of it, you'd read them all, same stuff over and over. |
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Post by tisbearself on Dec 6, 2023 2:10:31 GMT
It's likely because the background of those who crank out Church documents tends to be academic, not business. Academia rewards long, involved writing. Business wants one slide with bullet points and a financial breakdown.
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Post by homeschooldad on Dec 6, 2023 3:35:02 GMT
It's likely because the background of those who crank out Church documents tends to be academic, not business. Academia rewards long, involved writing. Business wants one slide with bullet points and a financial breakdown. I'm a poor one to ask. My graduate program in history, mid-1980s, was in a department that underwent a "hostile takeover" of sorts by liberal academicians some of whom were probably just a whisker away from being Marxists. They wanted everything written simply, tersely, in language that the non-historian could pick up and read with ease. That is not entirely a bad thing, and I'm all for making history accessible to the masses, but my writing at the time was denounced as being too patrician and pretentious (and it was), and I think some of this derision was fueled by my being known on campus as a cultural conservative. I will give them their due, they did teach me a lot about writing in a more down-to-earth fashion. Evidently the academicians in the Vatican never went through this kind of rhetorical purgatory. |
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Post by ralfy on Dec 9, 2023 3:49:33 GMT
Vatican II documents are academic but their intent involves business.
They're academic together with many other Church documents because the Church is characterized by a combination of the scholarly, i.e, the Magisterium, and of reality, i.e., Scriptures. It's like that painting "School of Athens," which depicts Plato pointing at the sky and Aristotle pointing at the ground. Or maybe Casey Kasem who tells listeners to keep their feet on the ground and to keep reaching reaching for the stars.
In this case, we have a Mass and the masses, and both need the other.
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Post by ralfy on Dec 9, 2023 3:57:05 GMT
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