Post by homeschooldad on Dec 23, 2023 6:03:28 GMT
Then please address this paragraph, if you care to:
This merely says that he has the authority. It doesn't say that he will always use that authority wisely, and it doesn't address matters that may be beyond his authority. Does the Pope have the authority to order the Pietà to be smashed to bits with a sledgehammer and replaced with a representation of Pachamama? "But he wouldn't do that"? Hope not. But does he have that authority? And would it be a misuse of that authority? And would the person charged with doing the smashing be able to say "no, I'm not doing that" without committing the sin of disobedience?
As to the TLM, it is indeed a very expansive, wide-ranging topic, and I have no intention of forcing it into one thread, or posting the many articles and items that crop up on the Internet on a daily basis into that thread. I have provided a thread, attached to the top of this sub-forum, for you or anyone else to post whatever you wish regarding how the Church's liturgical discipline is a good thing, a wise thing, consonant with an even older tradition than the Gregorian/Pian/Tridentine one, that the Mass is a communal celebration where the faithful need to be praying actively and in unison in their own vernacular, that there needs to be a greater variety of Scripture in the Mass, and so on. I won't presume to go back and copy your past arguments (or anyone else's) into that thread, but feel free to do so yourself, if you like. Perhaps this thread can be a magnum opus of why, as some see it, TLM adherents are flawed in their reasoning and need to "get with the program" of the 1969+ Missals and all that has gone with that, as a practical matter --- communion in the hand, under both kinds, distributed by laypersons, overt and tactile sign of peace immediately before communion, getting rid of communion rails, having the priest facing the people, the list goes on. Please defend these things. I'm not into suppressing viewpoints.
That point is disingenuous because it refers to restricting the EF as equivalent to smashing the Pieta to bits. To recap, Pope St. John Paul II allowed the EF only to appease the SPPX, and came up with various restrictions for the allowance. Both Pope Benedict XVI and Pope Francis continued what he did, and those allowances are seen in the TC.
Given that, there is nothing expansive or wide-ranging for this topic. Every point you've raised in various threads have been countered and repeated in the same threads, just as they're being repeated here. In some cases, I had to link to those other threads.
What's weird is that you abandoned those threads, only to make new ones where you post the same wrong arguments.
I invite you to collate all of your arguments and place them in the thread (really more of a sub-forum) that I created. I only have the bare minimum administrator functions that allow me to maintain the website and to deal with bad actors (which I certainly don't regard you as being); ProBoards didn't give me the ability to create new sub-fora, otherwise I would do so in this case.
In that thread, I'll let arguments in favor of severely curtailing or even suppressing the TLM, or in favor of the 1969+ Missal as a positive good for the Church, stand as they appear, and not engage in point/counter-point. Again, what could be fairer than that?