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Post by homeschooldad on Dec 29, 2023 18:09:32 GMT
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Post by tisbearself on Dec 30, 2023 13:09:45 GMT
I usually like De Souza's columns, but that one was just silly.
Evening Masses in general on ordinary days don't confuse anybody.
Evening Masses on a Sunday before Christmas Monday are only confusing because
- people don't understand there's no two-fers when a Sunday and HDO fall on consecutive days;
- people especially don't understand the above due to the recent practice at least in US of removing the obligation for most HDOs that fall on Monday, so the situation rarely comes up;
- people further don't understand that the obligation can be satisfied by any Mass on the day of, OR by the vigil Mass for the specific day AS LONG AS there's no two-fers.
Vigil Masses go back hundreds of years. The problem is that nowadays people don't understand them. Also that in a non-agrarian society with electric lights and mechanical clocks, our understanding of a "day" is now midnight to midnight rather than sunset to sunset.
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Post by tisbearself on Dec 30, 2023 13:20:17 GMT
Oh, by the way, remember we were discussing (elsewhere) the diocese with the bulletin insert that said "You must attend Mass before noon on Sunday, Dec 24 in order to fulfill your Sunday obligation"? And someone pointed out this contradicted Church rules and the USCCB had explicitly said any Mass any time on a day fulfills that day's obligation? Well it seems like that diocese's bishop decided to depart from the USCCB position, probably to avoid confusion. diopitt.org/christmas-mass-schedule |
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Post by homeschooldad on Dec 30, 2023 15:32:53 GMT
I usually like De Souza's columns, but that one was just silly. Evening Masses in general on ordinary days don't confuse anybody. Evening Masses on a Sunday before Christmas Monday are only confusing because - people don't understand there's no two-fers when a Sunday and HDO fall on consecutive days; - people especially don't understand the above due to the recent practice at least in US of removing the obligation for most HDOs that fall on Monday, so the situation rarely comes up; - people further don't understand that the obligation can be satisfied by any Mass on the day of, OR by the vigil Mass for the specific day AS LONG AS there's no two-fers. Vigil Masses go back hundreds of years. The problem is that nowadays people don't understand them. Also that in a non-agrarian society with electric lights and mechanical clocks, our understanding of a "day" is now midnight to midnight rather than sunset to sunset. Everybody's got an opinion. There was nothing de fide here, nor is there any other question of orthodoxy or even sound liturgical practice. Some people in rural mission churches get their only Mass on Saturday or Sunday evening, and they're glad to have it. TLM adherents often have evening Masses because that's the only time they are able to get a priest to offer it. |
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Post by davebj on Dec 30, 2023 17:21:45 GMT
The "no two-fer" situation was thoroughly expounded in our parish, but there were still some folks who missed the boat. I don't understand why; this isn't rocket surgery, so to speak. Two holy days, two Masses.
With regard to the vigil Masses, my preference is for Sunday mornings, but there are times, especially in Decoration season, when I have musical stuff to do at Baptist, Methodist, and Pentecostal churches where my relatives are buried, and I'm glad to have the option of a Saturday evening Mass.
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