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Post by iagosan on Jan 8, 2024 18:08:57 GMT
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Post by tisbearself on Jan 8, 2024 18:43:11 GMT
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Post by tisbearself on Jan 8, 2024 20:20:03 GMT
Just read the coverage in Crux and 1P5, man what a flaming tire dump
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Post by homeschooldad on Jan 8, 2024 22:33:36 GMT
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Post by homeschooldad on Jan 9, 2024 1:34:13 GMT
Yikes! I read the Twitter blurb a little more closely, and sorry, I can't publish this openly. Sadly, ProBoards doesn't have a way for me to blur the image. Anyone who has been married, and has had a normal conjugal life, "knows" these things, and, shall we say, "how all that stuff works", but this verbal imagery, that leaves absolutely nothing to the imagination, is IMO too strong for something, such as this website, that is an informal apostolate of sorts. I'm far from being a prude, but I had to pull this. There are limits. |
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Post by tisbearself on Jan 9, 2024 5:35:19 GMT
Yikes! I read the Twitter blurb a little more closely, and sorry, I can't publish this openly. Sadly, ProBoards doesn't have a way for me to blur the image. Anyone who has been married, and has had a normal conjugal life, "knows" these things, and, shall we say, "how all that stuff works", but this verbal imagery, that leaves absolutely nothing to the imagination, is IMO too strong for something, such as this website, that is an informal apostolate of sorts. I'm far from being a prude, but I had to pull this. There are limits. I haven't exactly lived a saintly life before my reversion, and I watched porn and read porn and did stuff etc, but I and my whole generation were taught that you do NOT mix that stuff up with what is holy under ANY circumstances. When somebody shared that Twitter excerpt earlier today, I actually got nauseous and had to get off the Internet for several hours and not look at it again when I got back on. I hope the people saying that this means Fernandez will never be papabile are correct. |
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Post by iagosan on Jan 9, 2024 9:04:00 GMT
The background story concerning this book is also rather interesting. The Lepanto Institute and journalists Bree A. Dail and Diana Montagna have put together a lot of research relating to its availability.
Here is an comment from The Lepanto Institute (edited slightly in order to avoid some scandalous topic reference) regarding their investigation:
“The book definitely got nuked. From our article:
Online references to “La Pasion Mistica” are nearly impossible to find, and the Vatican’s list of published works by Cdl. Fernandez has conspicuously omitted this book. However, there are a few online resources which make reference to the book as far back as 2006. For instance, an article appearing in the July 2006 issue of Revista Neustra America titled [in English] “Symbolic Images of Evil in the Mystical Discourse of New Spain,” cites Fr. Victor Manuel Fernandez’s book in relation to its xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx. On Feb. 6, 2012, a blog titled, “Books by Victor Manuel Fernandez” supplied a complete list of books written by him, including “La Pasion Mistica.” A search for the book’s ISBN yielded shockingly few results, and while there is some acknowledgement of the book’s existence by book sellers, the book could not be found for sale ANYWHERE. And given the content of the book, it wouldn’t be a stretch for one to believe that Fernandez had hoped to make it disappear as he was on his way to higher prominence."
Here is a very recent search for a physical copy based on its ISBN :
web.archive.org/web/20240109043822/https://www.isbns.net/isbn/9789706520524/
Additionally, a copy was uploaded to Scribid recently and that seems to have disappeared very recently. I guess that the guys currently in the Vatican, are rapidly calling in favours for a damage limitation operation……....Fortunately - as this is of historical importance- there must now be thousands of scanned copies of the original (in Spanish) held by individuals and are available on the web, if one knows where to look.
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Post by tisbearself on Jan 9, 2024 10:31:51 GMT
The book being un-findable could simply mean there weren't many physical copies printed and they are super-rare. I frequently go looking for OOP books and a lot of them are un-findable. However, in this case it sounds like Internet Archive did archive a copy in Spanish, and further sounds possibly like someone knew about it and was keeping it hidden in their back pocket so to speak for the right moment, and when Tucho released FS whoever was holding the grenade decided it was time to pull the pin and let fly.
Genie's not going back in the bottle now as like you said there are prolly dozens if not hundreds of private copies sitting in peoples' files at this point.
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Post by homeschooldad on Jan 9, 2024 10:32:13 GMT
The background story concerning this book is also rather interesting. The Lepanto Institute and journalists Bree A. Dail and Diana Montagna have put together a lot of research relating to its availability.
Here is an comment from The Lepanto Institute (edited slightly in order to avoid some scandalous topic reference) regarding their investigation:
“The book definitely got nuked. From our article:
Online references to “La Pasion Mistica” are nearly impossible to find, and the Vatican’s list of published works by Cdl. Fernandez has conspicuously omitted this book. However, there are a few online resources which make reference to the book as far back as 2006. For instance, an article appearing in the July 2006 issue of Revista Neustra America titled [in English] “Symbolic Images of Evil in the Mystical Discourse of New Spain,” cites Fr. Victor Manuel Fernandez’s book in relation to its xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx. On Feb. 6, 2012, a blog titled, “Books by Victor Manuel Fernandez” supplied a complete list of books written by him, including “La Pasion Mistica.” A search for the book’s ISBN yielded shockingly few results, and while there is some acknowledgement of the book’s existence by book sellers, the book could not be found for sale ANYWHERE. And given the content of the book, it wouldn’t be a stretch for one to believe that Fernandez had hoped to make it disappear as he was on his way to higher prominence."
Here is a very recent search for a physical copy based on its ISBN :
web.archive.org/web/20240109043822/https://www.isbns.net/isbn/9789706520524/
Additionally, a copy was uploaded to Scribid recently and that seems to have disappeared very recently. I guess that the guys currently in the Vatican, are rapidly calling in favours for a damage limitation operation……....Fortunately - as this is of historical importance- there must now be thousands of scanned copies of the original (in Spanish) held by individuals and are available on the web, if one knows where to look. Wow. Talk about something going down the "memory hole"! Reminds me of how TAN Books, back in the 1990s, was going to publish Fr Rager's Bellarmine and Democracy, and then later decided not to --- they were already advertising it in their catalog, had cover art in the ad, indeed, I ordered a copy from them, and kept waiting... and waiting... and waiting... then finally I contacted them, they said they weren't going to publish it after all, and refunded my money. I later heard that a certain traditionalist Catholic organization with monarchical leanings disapproved, and that's why it got, er, "canned". I wouldn't be surprised. (Thankfully, you can now get an archived PDF online, which I've made sure to do.) I do so hope that somewhere in Argentina, a copy turns up. Those who seek to defend Fernandez and like-minded prelates are having a harder and harder time every day. At the end of the day, all they can do is pathetically croak "discernment!" and hope someone's listening. ¡Hagan lío!, gotta love it. |
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Post by homeschooldad on Jan 9, 2024 10:34:22 GMT
The book being un-findable could simply mean there weren't many physical copies printed and they are super-rare. I frequently go looking for OOP books and a lot of them are un-findable. However, in this case it sounds like Internet Archive did archive a copy in Spanish, and further sounds possibly like someone knew about it and was keeping it hidden in their back pocket so to speak for the right moment, and when Tucho released FS whoever was holding the grenade decided it was time to pull the pin and let fly. Genie's not going back in the bottle now as like you said there are prolly dozens if not hundreds of private copies sitting in peoples' files at this point. Yes, and they all just became very valuable. For some reason, I can't quit thinking of what James Carville said about being able to drag a hundred-dollar bill through a trailer park and dredge up pretty much anything. |
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Post by tisbearself on Jan 9, 2024 11:15:36 GMT
Here's the link to the copies still on Internet Archive. I donate regularly to Internet Archive but will be sending them another chunk of change for the good work they do in keeping publishers accountable. archive.org/search?query=pasion+mistica+fernandezI have less than zero desire to read this book, I am still feeling sick from reading the excerpt, but I just did my part for the cause by downloading and storing multiple PDFs in a couple languages and formats. Anybody else who has the capability should do the same, in case the Powers That Be try to erase history. |
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Post by homeschooldad on Jan 9, 2024 19:18:41 GMT
Here's the link to the copies still on Internet Archive. I donate regularly to Internet Archive but will be sending them another chunk of change for the good work they do in keeping publishers accountable. archive.org/search?query=pasion+mistica+fernandezI have less than zero desire to read this book, I am still feeling sick from reading the excerpt, but I just did my part for the cause by downloading and storing multiple PDFs in a couple languages and formats. Anybody else who has the capability should do the same, in case the Powers That Be try to erase history. Thank you for finding this. I have already downloaded a copy. Just skimming over it, I can get the gist of it in Spanish --- the writing is not all that complicated to understand. Even those who are apologists for Fernandez should download and read it, to tap into his great wisdom and discernment. Got to wonder if the Paulist Fathers, or similar publishing house of their ilk, would consider translating and reprinting it. You'd think they'd want to --- "any friend of Francis is a friend of mine". |
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Post by iagosan on Jan 10, 2024 6:50:29 GMT
STAND BY FOR ACTION!!
It may be just back in print!!!!!!!!
Parent Ryan SJ says that he has just placed his order for a copy....
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Post by homeschooldad on Jan 10, 2024 7:20:07 GMT
STAND BY FOR ACTION!!
It may be just back in print!!!!!!!!
Parent Ryan SJ says that he has just placed his order for a copy....
Pretty sure that advertising blurb is just a parody. I've got to say, though, that the normally dry-as-dust Jone's Moral Theology descends here and there into "TMI" as regards sexual morality. More than once, I've felt just a little defiled reading it. I do suppose that confessors (for whom the book was primarily intended) have to know these things, to assist in judging the gravity of some matter. I'm quite sure that Tucho would have much preferred that this book remain hidden for all time. To be fair, if he is willing to own the situation, and say "yes, I wrote a book that should never have been written, and I deplore the imagery that I created in that book", I'd be willing to take him at his word, and let the book remain put away and forgotten about. |
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Post by iagosan on Jan 10, 2024 9:41:03 GMT
Despite my lighthearted posted quips regarding this latest episode, I was rather disturbed by the painting on the book cover that this post refers to and have conducted some research into its origin. This is what I have found.
The book cover:
This painting is called in English “The Abduction Of Psyche” 1895 by William-Adolphe Bouguereau and in French it is called “L'enlèvement de Psyché” which can be translated as “The Rapture of Psyche”
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