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Post by Grace on Feb 13, 2021 1:56:45 GMT
The biggest failure of CAF was allowing ugly discussions of politics on it's forum. Given the divisiveness in our country mainly due to politics and and the utter failure of many people to treat other with dignity and respect, can we just put a stop to any discussion of US politics. I've seen it more & more and it makes me want to stay away just like why I left CAF.
Just bringing no bring politics into any issue.
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Post by katy777 on Feb 13, 2021 23:46:18 GMT
I think being a Catholic forum, there should be no need for these discussions...
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Post by adamcsc on Feb 14, 2021 4:27:52 GMT
Seeing people defend fascism is disgusting to me. Same is true of people that defend communism and socialism. I agree, though, we need politics GONE.
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Post by Grace on Feb 14, 2021 15:36:52 GMT
The discussions get ugly fast.
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Post by farronwolf on Feb 14, 2021 19:36:49 GMT
I don't have a problem with bringing politics into some discussions. What I have an issue with is when people aren't truthful about the politics or actions of politicians, or parties, or about the Church's stance on politics.
Like it or not, even some pastors and bishops have brought politics into the parish and even the Mass.
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Post by josh987654321 on Feb 15, 2021 12:27:56 GMT
I don't have a problem with bringing politics into some discussions. What I have an issue with is when people aren't truthful about the politics or actions of politicians, or parties, or about the Church's stance on politics. Like it or not, even some pastors and bishops have brought politics into the parish and even the Mass. The crazy part about this post, is that I could type it word for word and agree wholeheartedly with it, but the substance is almost certainly the total opposite to what you have in mind and I know I'm right about the majority of these matters, I know who and where the majority of liars are because I've had time to do my own thorough investigation into many of these matters, free from peer pressure and propaganda, which is what most are making their badly flawed judgements on. "For the sake of His sorrowful passion, have mercy on us and on the whole world."
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Post by hakutaku on Feb 17, 2021 18:07:25 GMT
Garrison Keillor had a great News from Lake Wobegon story about "Jimmy the bus driver" who was a shady character that eventually snapped and abandoned the kids out in the wilderness. Keillor's story ends the incident with:
I believe Keillor excellently captures the vaguely conservative small-town desire to not talk about the uncomfortable things going on around us. People naturally don't want to hear about mistakes their community made, or bad things done by members of their community because hearing about it breaks the model of your community as immune to such things.
I suspect that there is a similar force at play in online communities. There are certain topics which, when discussed, reveal that the people who you thought were nice and reasonable fellows actually have some incredibly disconcerting views.
And so the question facing any community becomes: do we directly dialogue about the ideas that make us uncomfortable, or create a code of silence?
Obviously rules about staying on-topic, not spamming, not trolling are necessary. Obviously bad-faith topics and posters should be banned, but beyond that my belief about online communities is that "he moderates best who moderates least."
Catholicism has real political implications. I can think of no reason to ban it beyond a desire to close ones ears to close ones ears to the realities of your fellow Catholics' opinions.
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Post by jimg on Feb 17, 2021 22:43:57 GMT
It's true that Catholicism has real political implications. And that is more true now than it was, say, in 1950, because the culture went off the rails following the sexual revolution. Many political positions now held, would have been unacceptable to Christians of any denomination previously. I'm thinking acceptance of abortion, of same sex marriage, of homosexual activity, of men identifying as women and vice-versa, of cohabitation without marriage, of schools teaching kindergartners wild theories about sexual identity, etc. Not only that, but in the Catholic world, many Catholics no longer accept Catholic doctrines, yet still identify as Catholic.
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Post by josh987654321 on Feb 18, 2021 12:27:59 GMT
And so the question facing any community becomes: do we directly dialogue about the ideas that make us uncomfortable, or create a code of silence?
Obviously rules about staying on-topic, not spamming, not trolling are necessary. Obviously bad-faith topics and posters should be banned, but beyond that my belief about online communities is that "he moderates best who moderates least."
Catholicism has real political implications. I can think of no reason to ban it beyond a desire to close ones ears to close ones ears to the realities of your fellow Catholics' opinions.
I agree. 'Political Correctness' today is exactly that, a code of silence, because to deal with such matters is considered too difficult, and thus truth is jettisoned for getting along, it's always tough at first to deal with substantial topics with passionate differences, but if both are of good will seeking the truth, in the long run it makes people stronger and wiser. When censorship takes hold, it does the opposite, makes people comfortable, but also dumb and weak, until disaster strikes, such as it did in the USSR with disasters such as Chernobyl. God Bless
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Post by Beryllos on Feb 22, 2021 4:04:38 GMT
The great thing about politics, and the reason it's so popular in Catholic online communities, is that it gives a person ample opportunity to focus on someone else's sins.
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Post by josh987654321 on Feb 23, 2021 10:21:56 GMT
The great thing about politics, and the reason it's so popular in Catholic online communities, is that it gives a person ample opportunity to focus on someone else's sins. The problem is that these are not just sins/sinners, these are not only unrepentant, but filled with passionate intensity toward their advancement. I can do both, focus on my own sins and try to uphold the teachings of Christ, knowing that Christ and His word is the compass which points North, everyone will deviate and get lost at times, but woe to those who try to tamper with the compass, which is exactly what is happening both within and outside of the Church (politics) IMO. "For the sake of His sorrowful passion, have mercy on us and on the whole world."
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Post by katy777 on Feb 25, 2021 0:18:15 GMT
The great thing about politics, and the reason it's so popular in Catholic online communities, is that it gives a person ample opportunity to focus on someone else's sins. The problem is that these are not just sins/sinners, these are not only unrepentant, but filled with passionate intensity toward their advancement. I can do both, focus on my own sins and try to uphold the teachings of Christ, knowing that Christ and His word is the compass which points North, everyone will deviate and get lost at times, but woe to those who try to tamper with the compass, which is exactly what is happening both within and outside of the Church (politics) IMO. "For the sake of His sorrowful passion, have mercy on us and on the whole world." Another opportunity to fraternally correct..pride is what made lucifer fall.
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