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Post by Professor Q on Mar 6, 2017 10:23:48 GMT
I'm putting this out there for discussion just to keep this sub-forum active. Has anyone used his work and found it helpful? I'm only vaguely aware of what he's written, as well as the critique by Alice von Hildebrand, but I'd appreciate practical experiences / anecdotes.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2017 13:37:31 GMT
We use him extensively in our marriage preparation program. His works are not perfect but they are pretty darn good. He has made a bit of clarification to one point (which I welcomed) in response to some of von Hildebrand's comments.
He has helped to take the "dirty" out of the sometimes heard Catholic bias against marital relations.
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Post by pianistclare on Mar 6, 2017 16:02:59 GMT
I concur. He took on a big endeavor. Judging from threads at TOP, there's not much discussion in parishes on these issues for marrieds and those discerning marriage. I think it's useful to have something like this as a resource.
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Post by tawny on Mar 6, 2017 23:34:53 GMT
We use him extensively in our marriage preparation program. His works are not perfect but they are pretty darn good. He has made a bit of clarification to one point (which I welcomed) in response to some of von Hildebrand's comments. He has helped to take the "dirty" out of the sometimes heard Catholic bias against marital relations. Agree, our Priests use his works in Pre Cana marriage prep for those very reasons.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2017 0:19:08 GMT
I have mixed feelings about CW. His writings are always orthodox and all but I don't know, I think he's a little overrated and overquoted. It's like Scott Hahn, great guy, theologically sound, but enough is enough already. We really need some new faces in Catholic theology! That being said I'd always recommend them since I know they are theologically sound. Again, need some new faces. You can only say the same thing in so many different ways.
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Post by pianistclare on Mar 16, 2017 18:14:16 GMT
Scott Hahn's value is in his scholarship and his acceptance and credibility with the non-Catholics. People love a genuine conversion story.
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Post by pensmama87 on Mar 16, 2017 18:54:42 GMT
Scott Hahn's value is in his scholarship and his acceptance and credibility with the non-Catholics. People love a genuine conversion story. You know, I was thinking I might give my MIL his book about Christmas next year. She grew up Catholic, but now goes to a non-denom with a "megachurch" feel. Very poor formation, but seems open to at least us being Catholic. He knows his stuff, but does not write in a way that is intimidating. If she's open to it and likes him, she might search out more by him, and get into the more definitively Catholic stuff. She reads a lot of really fluffy, awful stuff, too. I only know because she keeps it in the bathroom. She would not be interested in hard apologetics, but someone like Scott Hahn or even Matthew Kelly might be more persuasive. More her style.
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Post by pianistclare on Mar 16, 2017 19:31:19 GMT
Right. Hahn can be deep, but Matthew Kelly is Catholic light, LOL People who are lukewarmish love him. Very easy read, nothing controversial, just love and mercy in big heaps.
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Post by Cat_Lady on Apr 3, 2017 3:14:13 GMT
He spoke at my college several years back. Also, I did read his book.
I like him and his work. I think the people who complained about him being "too crude" or whatever are being a bit too puritanical and prude. He speaks about sex openly and enthusiastically, yes, but in the context of sex being an incredibly gift from God for husband and wife. I like his style.
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Post by pianistclare on Apr 8, 2017 12:56:02 GMT
His style is very appealing to young people. You don't change the message to suit your audience, but you do have to engage them. And sometimes, people an turn off rather quickly. If his style works for his intended audience, good for him.
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Post by adamcsc on Dec 19, 2020 19:44:06 GMT
We use him extensively in our marriage preparation program. His works are not perfect but they are pretty darn good. He has made a bit of clarification to one point (which I welcomed) in response to some of von Hildebrand's comments. He has helped to take the "dirty" out of the sometimes heard Catholic bias against marital relations. I will let you know when I read it
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2021 20:33:03 GMT
I know this thread is old and cold, but I was just reading a fairly critical review of Christopher West, so I thought I'd post it here: maryvictrix.com/2009/10/30/a-response-to-christopher-west/I also recall watching a Youtube vid once, in which West was having a discussion with an RC priest. The discussion was about what a man should do when he accidentally sees a woman's exposed breast. West's take was that the best would be to look, but without feeling any lust. The priest's view was that the man should look away in modesty always (even if he didn't feel lust). I personally totally agree with the priest, and seeing that discussion put me off West. West has also said strange things about how it would be okay (or even good) to depict or sculpt the BVM in in a more "motherly" shape. Made me uncomfortable.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2021 21:30:27 GMT
This might sounds crazy, but psychology would agree with West. I know it would. But then, psychology has never been a friend of religion. If we leave it up to psychologists, all of religion is "collective delusion" or whatever fancy term they have for it, and behavior in accordance with the tenets of one's religion would be labeled "neurosis" or OCD. It's not a matter of panic or not. I don't panic when I see a female breast, nor am I particularly worried that I might feel lust. It's about whether or not modesty and continence are intrinsically virtuous, or that they are only a means for a weak man to control himself. Pope JP2 clearly taught the former; in other words, to look away from nudity is virtuous in and of itself. I agree with that. In addition there's the circumstantial (but nevertheless important) argument that the woman who is caught with her breast exposed, is protected from much embarassment and confusion if the man looks away. If he just continues to look at her exposed chest "without lust", that leaves her to wonder awkwardly what his motive was for not turning away.
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Post by katy777 on Feb 19, 2021 15:38:26 GMT
Children should first learn about this at home. I don't know who wrote the book but my daughter came home with a very explicit book one year and we opted out of that class.
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