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Post by ralfy on Feb 9, 2021 9:14:19 GMT
Fascism goes against Catholicism because the former is nationalist and the other isn't. Depending on who you ask, Nationalism can mean anything. What do you say it is? Nationalism refers to support for one's nation, and is the main goal of fascism.
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Post by ralfy on Feb 9, 2021 9:52:45 GMT
Fascism goes against Catholicism because the former is nationalist and the other isn't. The alternative 'Globalism' is evil, because it quickly becomes devoid of Christ and will be the means in which the Anti Christ will rise to power. At least with Nationalism, when one Country screws up, the rest can learn from their mistakes, rather then putting all your eggs in one basket and having the whole world go down the same evils and errors, which is what globalism will do. Nationalism in itself is not immoral, only if taken to an extreme. Trump was 100% correct in putting America first (And I'm not American), his job was to represent America as the elected leader of America, and it's the job of other sovereign nations to do the same, it also shows humility, for the globalists show themselves full of pride arrogantly thinking they can police the world. It's the same on the micro level with the family, you should be nationalistic in the sense that your family always comes first, but not to the extreme where you don't care at all about other families/people, but ones own family must always come first. Biden says "lead by the power of our example rather then the example of our power" which is 100% correct, but in reality he does and is doing the total opposite as they silence dissent, send more troops abroad etc. God Bless Globalism is not the alternative of nationalism but what's employed for industrialization. The computer you are using right now is proof of that.
In both nationalism and globalism, a society can be devoid of Catholic faith because of materialism.
Damage caused by nationalism is not necessarily limited to one's country. Hitler's fascism, which Mussolini joined, is proof of that.
What makes fascism immoral isn't nationalism but any violence caused by it.
Trump is part of the same system he attacks. That's why he availed of provisions for the rich during previous administrations, and offered the same to billionaires during his administration. Those are the same billionaires who profited from outsourcing and financial speculation.
Finally, Biden follows what every U.S. President since Reagan promoted: neoconservatism and neoliberalism. Even Trump was not immune to the same, which is why he tried to make peace with North Korea but still threatened Iran.
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Post by ralfy on Feb 9, 2021 10:00:18 GMT
Fascism goes against Catholicism because the former is nationalist and the other isn't. Catholicism does not condemn nationalism because there were plenty of Nationalists who Catholic Popes crowned Kings, Queens, and Emperors. You are so mistaken. There is nothing in the teachings of the Church magisterium that condemns nationalism. Pope Francis has said negative things about nationalism, but Pope Francis is only infallible when he defines a binding Dogma ex cathedra. The Pope's opinions on nationalism are his private opinions and don't need to be taken seriously. The Roman Catholic Church is arguably quite a nationalistic Religion that actually elevates itself above all institutions on earth, claiming that "there is no salvation outside of the Church". No salvation outside of the Catholic Church is actually an infallible Church Doctrine. The Church claims itself to be the new Israel. Israel was an extremely patriotic Jingoism Nationalist state that would qualify as Fascist, it's just the word Fascist wasn't around at the time. Ancient Israel had all the marks of a Fascist state, that if America lived like ancient Israel , everyone today would say America is Fascist. God inspried Patriotic Nationalist government in ancient Israel and it was extremely militant to the point of committing genocide and entire annihilation of cities at God's order. That would technically make God a Fascist. God never inspired Democracy in the Bible. He inspired patriotic nationalist military dictatorships. Even the Church, the new Israel, calls itself the "Church militant". The Catholic Church has supported countless nationalistic military Dictatorships, monarchies, and Empires throughout history. Your statement is completely nonsensical. Catholicism does not condemn nationalism as long as the latter does not lead to worship of itself. That's why we have Non abbiamo bisogno.
Your claim that Roman Catholicism is nationalist because it argues that there is no salvation outside the Church is nonsense. Catholicism is not a nationality.
The ancient Israel you are talking about is that of the Old Testament. Jesus, in contrast, said the complete opposite of every point you raised.
Your arguments make no sense at all.
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Post by josh987654321 on Feb 9, 2021 11:21:17 GMT
Globalism is not the alternative of nationalism but what's employed for industrialization. The computer you are using right now is proof of that. Yea, but we should resist it as long as possible IMO, as the technology grows and the world becomes smaller it will trend that way anyway, but it will certainly be the means in which the Anti Christ will rise to power, so I'd rather not run toward it. In both nationalism and globalism, a society can be devoid of Catholic faith because of materialism. Yup Damage caused by nationalism is not necessarily limited to one's country. Hitler's fascism, which Mussolini joined, is proof of that. I strongly disagree, because there was an Alliance that could combat them. What makes fascism immoral isn't nationalism but any violence caused by it. Sure. No 'ism' is perfect and no matter the system Christ is always the corner stone to it that the builders reject at their own peril. Trump is part of the same system he attacks. That's why he availed of provisions for the rich during previous administrations, and offered the same to billionaires during his administration. Those are the same billionaires who profited from outsourcing and financial speculation. Sure, but then I would argue he went after them the correct way, or at least tried to by trying to break down monopolies which made them mega rich in the first place, rather then keeping a broken system in place but just taxing them more, which doesn't fix anything. Add to that the correct practice of trying to target the source with tariffs on imported goods so local businesses can compete for fair trade rather then the lies of free trade which favor the most exploited and corrupt. Taxing the rich more is a totally broken way of dealing with it, never works because the wealthy can always find ways around it and get special treatment. Finally, Biden follows what every U.S. President since Reagan promoted: neoconservatism and neoliberalism. Even Trump was not immune to the same, which is why he tried to make peace with North Korea but still threatened Iran. I think he handled North Korea the correct way when being threatened, but Iran is a tricky one, nobody wants more Countries getting nukes but at the same time they need to try and respect sovereignty. Obama's administration was naïve and stupid and Trump's administration was a bit too heavy handed IMO. If people really cared about the poor, they'd clearly see that the billionaires are all in Biden's pockets, not Trump's, especially with the tariffs on China and trying to break up big tech monopolies, because that struck the mega rich right at the very heart. The Mega Rich Monopolies are fine with tax hikes, because they are the new Supreme Leaders redistributing wealth as they see fit while maintaining all their power. God Bless
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Post by matthewmussolini on Feb 9, 2021 12:52:11 GMT
Catholicism does not condemn nationalism because there were plenty of Nationalists who Catholic Popes crowned Kings, Queens, and Emperors. You are so mistaken. There is nothing in the teachings of the Church magisterium that condemns nationalism. Pope Francis has said negative things about nationalism, but Pope Francis is only infallible when he defines a binding Dogma ex cathedra. The Pope's opinions on nationalism are his private opinions and don't need to be taken seriously. The Roman Catholic Church is arguably quite a nationalistic Religion that actually elevates itself above all institutions on earth, claiming that "there is no salvation outside of the Church". No salvation outside of the Catholic Church is actually an infallible Church Doctrine. The Church claims itself to be the new Israel. Israel was an extremely patriotic Jingoism Nationalist state that would qualify as Fascist, it's just the word Fascist wasn't around at the time. Ancient Israel had all the marks of a Fascist state, that if America lived like ancient Israel , everyone today would say America is Fascist. God inspried Patriotic Nationalist government in ancient Israel and it was extremely militant to the point of committing genocide and entire annihilation of cities at God's order. That would technically make God a Fascist. God never inspired Democracy in the Bible. He inspired patriotic nationalist military dictatorships. Even the Church, the new Israel, calls itself the "Church militant". The Catholic Church has supported countless nationalistic military Dictatorships, monarchies, and Empires throughout history. Your statement is completely nonsensical. Catholicism does not condemn nationalism as long as the latter does not lead to worship of itself. That's why we have Non abbiamo bisogno.
Your claim that Roman Catholicism is nationalist because it argues that there is no salvation outside the Church is nonsense. Catholicism is not a nationality.
The ancient Israel you are talking about is that of the Old Testament. Jesus, in contrast, said the complete opposite of every point you raised.
Your arguments make no sense at all.
The Catholic Church is extremely nationalistic in the context of how I described it. The Catholic Church crowned Kings and Emperors that were highly militant and highly nationalistic and resembled Fascist Dictatorships (if you study the Doctrine of Fascism, which you obviously never have, therefore you don't know what Fascism is).
The Catholic Church calls itself the New Israel prefigured by a very nationalistic Fascist nation in every way Fascist ( minus the name Fascism).
The Catholic Church calls itself one family that exalts itself above every other family like Ancient Israel. The Catholic Church exalts itself to the point of saying there is no salvation outside of itself. That is about as extremely nationalistic to the core that a group of people can get.
Just because the Catholic Church doesn't call itself a nation, it technically is the Kingdom of God on earth, calls itself the "Church militant", has supported countless nationalist military Dictatorships, and every Catholic is bound to obey one leader above all leaders on Earth (The Pope) and one single teaching authority (The Church magisterium), and one single Monarch makes infallible binding Doctrines.
That is indeed a type of nation spread throughout the world, and the actual country and of the Catholic Church is Vatican City state, which was founded by a Fascist regime, and the founder of Fascism, whose Fascist headquarters was in the same Capitol and headquarters of Christ's "Roman" Catholic Church.
The Catholic Church embraces precisely what nationalism is , because the Church declares itself to be God's Kingdom (territorial unit under a Monarch), and the goal of Catholicism is Global conquest and domination. Every time we recite the "Lord's prayer" we are praying for the Roman Catholic Church to conquer the whole world, because in the Lord's prayer are the words "thy Kingdom Come, thy will be done on earth as it is in Heaven".
The Kingdom of God is completely Fascist and Nationalistic where nothing unclean can enter, the media cannot speak against the regime, nobody can oppose the regime, there are no elections, everybody is Catholic, there is no division, it's a single body state under one supreme leader that everyone submits and surrenders everything to (Dictator), and is the epitome of patriotic, Fascist, nationalistic Utopia.
Please get your facts straight!
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Post by ralfy on Feb 10, 2021 6:16:56 GMT
Yea, but we should resist it as long as possible IMO, as the technology grows and the world becomes smaller it will trend that way anyway, but it will certainly be the means in which the Anti Christ will rise to power, so I'd rather not run toward it. The irony is that you are making these arguments using the same technologies made possible through the same globalization. You mean you strongly agree. Otherwise, there would be no need for an alliance to combat what should not exist. Also, that alliance is part of internationalism. The problem in this case isn't so much lack of perfection but the core of Mussolini's fascism. He did not break down any monopolies. As for tariffs, what he wanted was to make China buy more products from the U.S., which it turned out they wanted to do in the first place, which is why they joined the WTO many years ago. Which was made possible through provisions favoring such during the Bush, Obama, and Trump administrations. Except the U.S. and the rest of the Security Council members, of course, and the same military powers like the U.S. that manipulated Iran and other countries for decades. Also, it's the other way round: it was Obama who who followed Bush and acted in a heavy-handed manner, which is why the chaos spread to Libya and Syria. Trump could barely reverse what the two did because he was working with the same swamp that he tried to challenge. And with Biden, we have a continuation of Obama. It's the other way round: it's the politicians who are controlled by billionaires, and have been since the Reagan administration. Yes, because Trump gave them tax cuts. Also, they can avail of loopholes. Finally, they control much of the U.S. economy, and have been for a long time.
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Post by ralfy on Feb 10, 2021 6:33:47 GMT
Catholicism does not condemn nationalism as long as the latter does not lead to worship of itself. That's why we have Non abbiamo bisogno.
Your claim that Roman Catholicism is nationalist because it argues that there is no salvation outside the Church is nonsense. Catholicism is not a nationality.
The ancient Israel you are talking about is that of the Old Testament. Jesus, in contrast, said the complete opposite of every point you raised.
Your arguments make no sense at all.
The Catholic Church is extremely nationalistic in the context of how I described it. The Catholic Church crowned Kings and Emperors that were highly militant and highly nationalistic and resembled Fascist Dictatorships (if you study the Doctrine of Fascism, which you obviously never have, therefore you don't know what Fascism is).
The Catholic Church calls itself the New Israel prefigured by a very nationalistic Fascist nation in every way Fascist ( minus the name Fascism).
The Catholic Church calls itself one family that exalts itself above every other family like Ancient Israel. The Catholic Church exalts itself to the point of saying there is no salvation outside of itself. That is about as extremely nationalistic to the core that a group of people can get.
Just because the Catholic Church doesn't call itself a nation, it technically is the Kingdom of God on earth, calls itself the "Church militant", has supported countless nationalist military Dictatorships, and every Catholic is bound to obey one leader above all leaders on Earth (The Pope) and one single teaching authority (The Church magisterium), and one single Monarch makes infallible binding Doctrines.
That is indeed a type of nation spread throughout the world, and the actual country and of the Catholic Church is Vatican City state, which was founded by a Fascist regime, and the founder of Fascism, whose Fascist headquarters was in the same Capitol and headquarters of Christ's "Roman" Catholic Church.
The Catholic Church embraces precisely what nationalism is , because the Church declares itself to be God's Kingdom (territorial unit under a Monarch), and the goal of Catholicism is Global conquest and domination. Every time we recite the "Lord's prayer" we are praying for the Roman Catholic Church to conquer the whole world, because in the Lord's prayer are the words "thy Kingdom Come, thy will be done on earth as it is in Heaven".
The Kingdom of God is completely Fascist and Nationalistic where nothing unclean can enter, the media cannot speak against the regime, nobody can oppose the regime, there are no elections, everybody is Catholic, there is no division, it's a single body state under one supreme leader that everyone submits and surrenders everything to (Dictator), and is the epitome of patriotic, Fascist, nationalistic Utopia.
Please get your facts straight!
All of your arguments are questionable. There is nothing "extremely nationalist" about the Church. Its catechism and Catholic Bible is translated in many languages. It allows for different practices in many countries.
Crowing monarchs and emperors is not part of nationalism but part of feudalism. Nationalism is determined by secular governments, with monarchies acting as attendants. That's why the leader of Mussolini's regime wasn't the Church or God or the King but Mussolini.
A family is in no way the same as a nation. Its leader is determined by age, not by a vote. Also, it's in no way the same as a fascist regime, which is started through a violent takeover by the physically powerful.
The Church does refer to the Kingdom of God, but it is NOT the same as a kingdom on earth. There is no monarch that is crowned and rules it. It is led by a Bishop of Rome who is elected by a college of bishops. The magisterium is determined by tradition and Scriptures, not by a ruler. The same ruler is bound by that magisterium. Also, the Church is not composed of clergy but the faithful. Finally, those same Scriptures include not only the Old Testament but also the New Testament.
The Vatican City is the location of the Bishop of Rome but it is NOT a country that commands others. The Pope is also NOT a monarch because he does not come from a nobility.
The Church embraces nationalism because it is sensible for people in a country to take care of their own affairs, but that's NOT the same as embracing fascism. Furthermore, the Church also embraces internationalism because that's part of evangelization, which is the MAIN goal of the Church.
Fascism and nationalism do not refer to accepting things that are "clean" but what is advantageous to a country. That's why Mussolini made deals with Hitler, even though Hitler saw little by way of being allied with Italy, which was militarily weak by the start of the world war. At the same time, while Hitler abused Jews, Mussolini did the opposite. The Church also negotiated with Mussolini even as it argued much earlier that it was against such fascism:
Please get your facts straight.
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Post by matthewmussolini on Feb 10, 2021 21:48:21 GMT
The Catholic Church is extremely nationalistic in the context of how I described it. The Catholic Church crowned Kings and Emperors that were highly militant and highly nationalistic and resembled Fascist Dictatorships (if you study the Doctrine of Fascism, which you obviously never have, therefore you don't know what Fascism is).
The Catholic Church calls itself the New Israel prefigured by a very nationalistic Fascist nation in every way Fascist ( minus the name Fascism).
The Catholic Church calls itself one family that exalts itself above every other family like Ancient Israel. The Catholic Church exalts itself to the point of saying there is no salvation outside of itself. That is about as extremely nationalistic to the core that a group of people can get.
Just because the Catholic Church doesn't call itself a nation, it technically is the Kingdom of God on earth, calls itself the "Church militant", has supported countless nationalist military Dictatorships, and every Catholic is bound to obey one leader above all leaders on Earth (The Pope) and one single teaching authority (The Church magisterium), and one single Monarch makes infallible binding Doctrines.
That is indeed a type of nation spread throughout the world, and the actual country and of the Catholic Church is Vatican City state, which was founded by a Fascist regime, and the founder of Fascism, whose Fascist headquarters was in the same Capitol and headquarters of Christ's "Roman" Catholic Church.
The Catholic Church embraces precisely what nationalism is , because the Church declares itself to be God's Kingdom (territorial unit under a Monarch), and the goal of Catholicism is Global conquest and domination. Every time we recite the "Lord's prayer" we are praying for the Roman Catholic Church to conquer the whole world, because in the Lord's prayer are the words "thy Kingdom Come, thy will be done on earth as it is in Heaven".
The Kingdom of God is completely Fascist and Nationalistic where nothing unclean can enter, the media cannot speak against the regime, nobody can oppose the regime, there are no elections, everybody is Catholic, there is no division, it's a single body state under one supreme leader that everyone submits and surrenders everything to (Dictator), and is the epitome of patriotic, Fascist, nationalistic Utopia.
Please get your facts straight! . The Pope is also NOT a monarch
It's obviously impossible to have a conversation with you because you state falsehoods. Study Vatican Government. The Pope is a Bishop but he's also labeled "A KING" by the Vatican government, and Vatican city state is called an "ABSOLUTE MONARCHY", by the Catholic Church.
"Just how did the world end up with this nation (Vatican State)?
The short answer is: because of Mussolini
today the tiny nation on a hill has all the things you'd expect of a country: its own government that makes its own laws that are enforced by its own police, who put people who break them in its own jail.
It also has its own bank and prints its own stamps and issues its own license plates
the Pope: He who gets a throne to sit upon and from which he acts as the Bishop for all the Catholics in Rome.
Actually all Bishops in the Catholic Church get their own thrones but because the Bishop of Rome is also the Pope , his throne is special and has it's own special name: The Holy See.
Now back to the King. The King of Vatican City has absolute, unchecked power within the country's borders and his presence makes Vatican City one of only six remanning absolute monarchies in the world
the King of Vatican City can overrule the decisions of all government personnel in the Vatican at any time for any reason. (therefore he is a Dictator in everything but name).
So why do you never hear about the King of Vatican City? Because though King and Pope are two different roles, they just happen to be occupied by the same person at the same time -- which has the funny consequence that, because the Pope is elected and the King is all-powerful but they're the same guy it makes Vatican City the world's only absolute monarchy. www.cgpgrey.com/blog/vatican-city-explained
Also, your views of nationalism are mistaken. There are nationalist organizations that can be found in many different countries, all members of the organization may have nationalist allegiance to the family, leader , body, or group they adhere to above the country they live in, which is why Catholics in America couldn't originally vote, was because they had allegiance to the Pope and Magisterium above allegiance to America.
So, your definition of nationalism is off, your claim that the Pope is NOT A MONARCH, and your claim that Vatican City State is not a Dictatorship, is complete falsehood!
The definition of Dictatorship is "a government run by a leader with absolute rule, a single party state where the leader can overrule the decisions of all people involved in governing the citizens. Absolute authority...non-democratic rule".
Vatican City state is absolutely a Dictatorship founded by a Fascist Dictator and Fascist regime, and Vatican City State is run precisely how the Doctrine of Fascism describes Fascism in it's essence and intrinsic Spiritual nature, religious nature , and manner in which the Fascist state governs.
Therefore Vatican City State is 100% Fascist Independent country that is never allowed to be part of the European Union precisely because of how Fascist she is, and founded by the founder of Fascism of all people, making her Fascist in every single way, minus the title "Fascism".
The Pope doesn't call himself a Dictator, but he has all the qualities of being a Dictator according to the definition of a Dictator.
But I think I'm done wasting my time debating you because you have been proven wrong repeatedly and it's a waste of time trying to reason with someone who has been indoctrinated and brainwashed with falsehoods and liberalism that borders on heresy , who speaks highly of someone like Joe Biden who has the blood of countless millions of babies on his hands supporting baby killers ever since he's been in politics.
The Catholic Church has non negotiables about who Catholics are allowed to vote for, and people like Joe Biden at one time were excommunicated from the Church and Holy Communion was NOT allowed to be given them.
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Post by matthewmussolini on Feb 10, 2021 21:54:34 GMT
Sorry, maybe you haven't spoken well of Biden. I misread your comment. Mea Culpa!
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Post by matthewmussolini on Feb 10, 2021 22:00:52 GMT
Still, I misread your comment about Biden, so I'll admit when I'm wrong, but you stated also that Fascists conquer through violent conquest of the nation.
Benito Mussolini had a non violent peaceful march on Rome where Prime minister stepped down and there was a non-violent bloodless peaceful transfer of power in a few hours where Benito Mussolini went from being a nobody without a high school diploma, with no votes, without any government experience, without any qualifications, to become almost instantly the youngest Prime minister in Italian history with control of the military, police, and government.
It was a miracle from God! I know of nothing like it since the invention of photography and possibly since the existence of Democracy.
He got shot in the face and survived five assasination attempts from Socialists, so it was truly they who were originally being more violent towards him.
Radical atheists backed by the Soviet union were on the verge of starting a bloody red revolution and civil war in Italy when Mussolini marched on Rome and Il Duce saved the day for the Catholic Church in Italy.
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Post by ralfy on Feb 11, 2021 2:44:49 GMT
It's obviously impossible to have a conversation with you because you state falsehoods. Study Vatican Government. The Pope is a Bishop but he's also labeled "A KING" by the Vatican government, and Vatican city state is called an "ABSOLUTE MONARCHY", by the Catholic Church. "Just how did the world end up with this nation (Vatican State)? The short answer is: because of Mussolini today the tiny nation on a hill has all the things you'd expect of a country: its own government that makes its own laws that are enforced by its own police, who put people who break them in its own jail. It also has its own bank and prints its own stamps and issues its own license plates the Pope: He who gets a throne to sit upon and from which he acts as the Bishop for all the Catholics in Rome. Actually all Bishops in the Catholic Church get their own thrones but because the Bishop of Rome is also the Pope , his throne is special and has it's own special name: The Holy See. Now back to the King. The King of Vatican City has absolute, unchecked power within the country's borders and his presence makes Vatican City one of only six remanning absolute monarchies in the world the King of Vatican City can overrule the decisions of all government personnel in the Vatican at any time for any reason. (therefore he is a Dictator in everything but name). So why do you never hear about the King of Vatican City? Because though King and Pope are two different roles, they just happen to be occupied by the same person at the same time -- which has the funny consequence that, because the Pope is elected and the King is all-powerful but they're the same guy it makes Vatican City the world's only absolute monarchy. www.cgpgrey.com/blog/vatican-city-explainedAlso, your views of nationalism are mistaken. There are nationalist organizations that can be found in many different countries, all members of the organization may have nationalist allegiance to the family, leader , body, or group they adhere to above the country they live in, which is why Catholics in America couldn't originally vote, was because they had allegiance to the Pope and Magisterium above allegiance to America. So, your definition of nationalism is off, your claim that the Pope is NOT A MONARCH, and your claim that Vatican City State is not a Dictatorship, is complete falsehood! The definition of Dictatorship is "a government run by a leader with absolute rule, a single party state where the leader can overrule the decisions of all people involved in governing the citizens. Absolute authority...non-democratic rule". Vatican City state is absolutely a Dictatorship founded by a Fascist Dictator and Fascist regime, and Vatican City State is run precisely how the Doctrine of Fascism describes Fascism in it's essence and intrinsic Spiritual nature, religious nature , and manner in which the Fascist state governs. Therefore Vatican City State is 100% Fascist Independent country that is never allowed to be part of the European Union precisely because of how Fascist she is, and founded by the founder of Fascism of all people, making her Fascist in every single way, minus the title "Fascism". The Pope doesn't call himself a Dictator, but he has all the qualities of being a Dictator according to the definition of a Dictator. But I think I'm done wasting my time debating you because you have been proven wrong repeatedly and it's a waste of time trying to reason with someone who has been indoctrinated and brainwashed with falsehoods and liberalism that borders on heresy , who speaks highly of someone like Joe Biden who has the blood of countless millions of babies on his hands supporting baby killers ever since he's been in politics. The Catholic Church has non negotiables about who Catholics are allowed to vote for, and people like Joe Biden at one time were excommunicated from the Church and Holy Communion was NOT allowed to be given them. Every point your raised is wrong again.
The Vatican is not a kingdom but a state and a city. It is not led by a monarch who is crowned but by a Bishop elected by other Bishops. Do not confuse any labels you think are attached to the Papacy or to the state.
The Bishop of Rome existed long before Mussolini even existed. That's why it's called the "Roman Catholic Church" and not the "Vatican Catholic Church" or the "Mussolini Catholic Church." Do not mistake whatever fantasies you have concerning Mussolini and the Church.
The Vatican has these national features for the purpose of efficiency, and not to show that the Catholic Church is some sort of nation. In fact, it even has to rely on others, as it has only 450 citizens out of 800 inhabitants. Catholics are NOT citizens of the Vatican.
There is NOTHING fascist about the Catholic Church or the Pope or the Vatican. The first consists of many archdioceses around the world plus twenty-three other Churches. The Pope does not take power by force or hold power by force. The Vatican is not corporatist or nationalist as it has no culture that's different from the Italy that surrounds it, or industries!
The "non-negotiables" are based on Church tradition and the Scriptures, and even the Papacy has to adhere to those!
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Post by ralfy on Feb 11, 2021 2:48:57 GMT
Still, I misread your comment about Biden, so I'll admit when I'm wrong, but you stated also that Fascists conquer through violent conquest of the nation.
Benito Mussolini had a non violent peaceful march on Rome where Prime minister stepped down and there was a non-violent bloodless peaceful transfer of power in a few hours where Benito Mussolini went from being a nobody without a high school diploma, with no votes, without any government experience, without any qualifications, to become almost instantly the youngest Prime minister in Italian history with control of the military, police, and government.
It was a miracle from God! I know of nothing like it since the invention of photography and possibly since the existence of Democracy.
He got shot in the face and survived five assasination attempts from Socialists, so it was truly they who were originally being more violent towards him.
Radical atheists backed by the Soviet union were on the verge of starting a bloody red revolution and civil war in Italy when Mussolini marched on Rome and Il Duce saved the day for the Catholic Church in Italy.
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Post by matthewmussolini on Feb 11, 2021 20:59:14 GMT
It's obviously impossible to have a conversation with you because you state falsehoods. Study Vatican Government. The Pope is a Bishop but he's also labeled "A KING" by the Vatican government, and Vatican city state is called an "ABSOLUTE MONARCHY", by the Catholic Church. "Just how did the world end up with this nation (Vatican State)? The short answer is: because of Mussolini today the tiny nation on a hill has all the things you'd expect of a country: its own government that makes its own laws that are enforced by its own police, who put people who break them in its own jail. It also has its own bank and prints its own stamps and issues its own license plates the Pope: He who gets a throne to sit upon and from which he acts as the Bishop for all the Catholics in Rome. Actually all Bishops in the Catholic Church get their own thrones but because the Bishop of Rome is also the Pope , his throne is special and has it's own special name: The Holy See. Now back to the King. The King of Vatican City has absolute, unchecked power within the country's borders and his presence makes Vatican City one of only six remanning absolute monarchies in the world the King of Vatican City can overrule the decisions of all government personnel in the Vatican at any time for any reason. (therefore he is a Dictator in everything but name). So why do you never hear about the King of Vatican City? Because though King and Pope are two different roles, they just happen to be occupied by the same person at the same time -- which has the funny consequence that, because the Pope is elected and the King is all-powerful but they're the same guy it makes Vatican City the world's only absolute monarchy. www.cgpgrey.com/blog/vatican-city-explainedAlso, your views of nationalism are mistaken. There are nationalist organizations that can be found in many different countries, all members of the organization may have nationalist allegiance to the family, leader , body, or group they adhere to above the country they live in, which is why Catholics in America couldn't originally vote, was because they had allegiance to the Pope and Magisterium above allegiance to America. So, your definition of nationalism is off, your claim that the Pope is NOT A MONARCH, and your claim that Vatican City State is not a Dictatorship, is complete falsehood! The definition of Dictatorship is "a government run by a leader with absolute rule, a single party state where the leader can overrule the decisions of all people involved in governing the citizens. Absolute authority...non-democratic rule". Vatican City state is absolutely a Dictatorship founded by a Fascist Dictator and Fascist regime, and Vatican City State is run precisely how the Doctrine of Fascism describes Fascism in it's essence and intrinsic Spiritual nature, religious nature , and manner in which the Fascist state governs. Therefore Vatican City State is 100% Fascist Independent country that is never allowed to be part of the European Union precisely because of how Fascist she is, and founded by the founder of Fascism of all people, making her Fascist in every single way, minus the title "Fascism". The Pope doesn't call himself a Dictator, but he has all the qualities of being a Dictator according to the definition of a Dictator. But I think I'm done wasting my time debating you because you have been proven wrong repeatedly and it's a waste of time trying to reason with someone who has been indoctrinated and brainwashed with falsehoods and liberalism that borders on heresy , who speaks highly of someone like Joe Biden who has the blood of countless millions of babies on his hands supporting baby killers ever since he's been in politics. The Catholic Church has non negotiables about who Catholics are allowed to vote for, and people like Joe Biden at one time were excommunicated from the Church and Holy Communion was NOT allowed to be given them. Every point your raised is wrong again.
The Vatican is not a kingdom but a state and a city. It is not led by a monarch who is crowned but by a Bishop elected by other Bishops. Do not confuse any labels you think are attached to the Papacy or to the state.
The Bishop of Rome existed long before Mussolini even existed. That's why it's called the "Roman Catholic Church" and not the "Vatican Catholic Church" or the "Mussolini Catholic Church." Do not mistake whatever fantasies you have concerning Mussolini and the Church.
The Vatican has these national features for the purpose of efficiency, and not to show that the Catholic Church is some sort of nation. In fact, it even has to rely on others, as it has only 450 citizens out of 800 inhabitants. Catholics are NOT citizens of the Vatican.
There is NOTHING fascist about the Catholic Church or the Pope or the Vatican. The first consists of many archdioceses around the world plus twenty-three other Churches. The Pope does not take power by force or hold power by force. The Vatican is not corporatist or nationalist as it has no culture that's different from the Italy that surrounds it, or industries!
The "non-negotiables" are based on Church tradition and the Scriptures, and even the Papacy has to adhere to those!
Actually you are semi mistaken about the Catholic Church calling itself "The Mussolini Church". The name Mussolini is the same name as "Jacob" in a different language. Jacob was Israel which means "Contender with God". The Catholic Church calls herself "The New Israel". Therefore, the Catholic Church essentially calls herself "the new Mussolini". The nation of Israel bore the same name as a man named "Israel" and that man was Jacob. Mussolini means Jacob. Israel became a nation, and later evolved into a Church with the new Covenant and the atonement sacrifice, but even before that when Christ said "Upon this rock I will build my Church and the gates of Hell shall not prevail against it". But the Papacy does qualify as a Monarchy, it just is not a hereditary Monarchy, and the Cardinals act like Children of the King. Yes, I know it's a tiny country, but there isn't a rule that you need to have a certain population to qualify as a monarchy. You are also mistaken about there being nothing Fascist about Catholicism. . The Doctrine of Fascism contained many of the same faith and moral teachings as the Catholic Church, and the Fascist government in Italy enforced Catholic teachings by outlawing abortion, gay marriage, making swearing on television or radio a crime, outlawing pornography, frowning upon divorce, and dissaproval of artificial contraceptives. The Pope qualifies as a Dictator because he is a leader of a single party nation with absolute authority to override any decision any other member of the government makes. He doesn't shed blood, but one reason is essentially he only allows people to live in his country who are like-minded, of the same faith, and who are obedient to him. Anyone in Independent Vatican City State who decides they can oppose the Pope repeatedly would face serious consequences if not be entirely kicked out of the country, excommunicated, or be stripped of their faculties. The Catholic Church is also Fascist in another sense, and that is we have a history of crowning people like Charlemagne who had the same dreams as Benito Mussolini essentially, the Holy Roman Emperors, Napoleon Bonaparte, and countless nationalist monarchs who were ultraconservative, militant, and highly patriotic who had every mark of being a Fascist Dictatorship according to the Doctrine of Fasciism (which is the intrinsic nature and essence and very definition of Fascism.) The definition of Dictator is simply a non Democratic leader who has absolute power of a single party state, with ultimate authority to override any decision that other people involved in government make. There is nothing in the definition of Dictator that says that a Dictator has to kill people to qualify as a Dictator. You obviously have never read Mussolini's "Doctrine of Fascism" which is the definition of Fascism. You also don't seem to know what the definition of Dictatorship is. But the main reason the Church is somewhat "Fascist" is because Catholic Faith, morals, Spirituality, and call to defend Catholicism is contained in the very definition and essence of Fascism (the Doctrine of Fascism.)
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Post by matthewmussolini on Feb 11, 2021 21:18:06 GMT
Still, I misread your comment about Biden, so I'll admit when I'm wrong, but you stated also that Fascists conquer through violent conquest of the nation.
Benito Mussolini had a non violent peaceful march on Rome where Prime minister stepped down and there was a non-violent bloodless peaceful transfer of power in a few hours where Benito Mussolini went from being a nobody without a high school diploma, with no votes, without any government experience, without any qualifications, to become almost instantly the youngest Prime minister in Italian history with control of the military, police, and government.
It was a miracle from God! I know of nothing like it since the invention of photography and possibly since the existence of Democracy.
He got shot in the face and survived five assasination attempts from Socialists, so it was truly they who were originally being more violent towards him.
Radical atheists backed by the Soviet union were on the verge of starting a bloody red revolution and civil war in Italy when Mussolini marched on Rome and Il Duce saved the day for the Catholic Church in Italy.
Not all the historical accounts of Benito Mussolini are accurate or they are very biased where they only mention his sins and demons without mentioning his good deeds and redeemable qualities. Mussolini had a lot of problems before his conversion to Catholicism as an atheist raised by atheist leftist Socialist Father. It was during that time that he displayed his worse behavior. After getting wounded in combat in world war 2 he had a Spiritual awakening. I trust Rachel Mussolini because she was a devout Catholic who knew telling lies would bear no fruit. She was a poor in spirit, humble, peasant woman who urged Mussolini not to be a Dictator, warned him he would share a fate worse than Napoleon if he committed wars of aggression, fought with him on many issues, exposes his sins and demons etc. My point is, she doesn't whitewash him. But she simply said she was frusterated because she knew him since she was 7 years old and none of the documentaries or books about him that she read were accurate and it made her very angry. So, she wrote two books about him that she made sure were careful not to whitewash him and mention his faults. He made her angry and broke her heart and scared her at times, but he had a whole different side to him as well that Rachel shares where he gave away the money he made as Prime minister to the Church and charities and lived off the newspaper he had prior to his rise to power. He got the Pope to make Francis of Assisi patron Saint of Italy. His favorite visitor who left the biggest impression on him was the peaceful prayerful Indian Gandhi. He just had too many awesome qualities and his rise to power was just far more amazing than any rise to power I have seen since the invention of photography.
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Post by matthewmussolini on Feb 11, 2021 21:21:17 GMT
He also did a lot to try and stop World War 2.
Anyway, If you don't mind me asking. Do you think it was better for a Catholic to vote for Trump or Biden?
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