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Post by theguvnor on Jul 26, 2023 19:33:38 GMT
www.rte.ie/entertainment/2023/0726/1396681-sinead-o-connor/This is breaking news on RTE at the minute. She had been looking very unwell of late and had struggled with personal demons throughout her life. O God of spirits and of all flesh, Who hast trampled down death and overthrown the Devil, and given life to Thy world, do Thou, the same Lord, give rest to the souls of Thy departed servants in a place of brightness, a place of refreshment, a place of repose, where all sickness, sighing, and sorrow have fled away. Pardon every transgression which they have committed, whether by word or deed or thought. For Thou art a good God and lovest mankind; because there is no man who lives yet does not sin, for Thou only art without sin, Thy righteousness is to all eternity, and Thy word is truth. For Thou are the Resurrection, the Life, and the Repose of Thy servants who have fallen asleep, O Christ our God, and unto Thee we ascribe glory, together with Thy Father, who is from everlasting, and Thine all-holy, good, and life-creating Spirit, now and ever unto ages of ages. Amen.
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Post by tisbearself on Jul 26, 2023 20:17:10 GMT
Yeah, that's a shame. I suspect she took her own life. Praying for her soul and that of her son who committed suicide a year ago. May they be reunited in Heaven and all have a group hug with St JPII.
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Post by theguvnor on Jul 26, 2023 21:39:27 GMT
She was looking very ropey of late and very, very unwell. She had more or less withdrawn from public life. She was an unique talent and although her life story was complicated and very troubled she genuinely did feel for other people even though she was sometimes clumsy in how she expressed herself.
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Post by tisbearself on Jul 26, 2023 21:59:49 GMT
I found it interesting that despite all her troubles she maintained a belief in God right up to the end.
Many people with her background would have rejected religion entirely and also rejected God, or at least the monotheistic Judeo-Christian-Islamic God. She never did.
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Post by theguvnor on Jul 26, 2023 22:40:03 GMT
Indeed, she was confused about her faith and jumped from religion to religion but she came from a very disturbed background and I am hoping God will take her intent into account. She often said things that annoyed or provoked, but there was often also some truth in what she had to say. With her death only a few of the iconic musical artists of my childhood remain. Madonna and Bruce Springsteen being two. Prince's death was one that saddened me as I viewed Prince as a figure with an immense level of talent.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2023 23:04:06 GMT
I often found O'Connor to be full of hate. A lot of hate. Likely born of her difficult background - like ripping up a portrait of the saintly Pope John Paul II. This is not normal behaviour even for a dissident Catholic.
Taking all that into account, and her obvious belief in one God, we can entrust her soul to the mercy of God.
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Post by theguvnor on Jul 27, 2023 0:35:23 GMT
Some interesting reactions to her death on social media. A few people in other places I noticed put up prayers. I didn't do that because as expected it turned into a battleground and people started shouting about how Sinead, 'Wouldn't that Catholic stuff' said in her memory. Some people believe it is a scam and won't be told otherwise. One forum I
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Post by theguvnor on Jul 27, 2023 11:04:38 GMT
As a follow up to this it has been confirmed that Sinead died in London. The police are not treating the death as suspicious. My own favourite songs by Sinead are these: www.youtube.com/watch?v=keWnPZOd2cwwww.youtube.com/watch?v=0c4v7fp5GC8The first song there was written by Father Charles O'Neill about the Easter Rising and Sinead's version is miles above most other people's attempt at covering the song.
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Post by theguvnor on Jul 27, 2023 11:52:57 GMT
Well, Morrisey is certainly not holding back in his view on how the music business impacted on Sinead: www.morrisseycentral.com/messagesfrommorrissey/you-know-i-couldn-t-lastFrom Morrisey's thoughts from above: “She had only so much ‘self’ to give. She was dropped by her label after selling 7 million albums for them. She became crazed, yes, but uninteresting, never. She had done nothing wrong. She had proud vulnerability … and there is a certain music industry hatred for singers who don’t ‘fit in’ (this I know only too well), and they are never praised until death - when, finally, they can’t answer back. The cruel playpen of fame gushes with praise for Sinead today … with the usual moronic labels of “icon” and “legend”. You praise her now ONLY because it is too late." While I partly agree with Morrisey people do have some agency of their own as well and it's not a simple 'villains vs good guys' situation.
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Post by jcath on Jul 27, 2023 13:21:21 GMT
May this child be forgiven of her sins and be with the Father. May her family be comforted and walk strong in the our Lord Jesus Christ. In your name, Jesus amen!
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Post by tisbearself on Jul 27, 2023 20:34:05 GMT
I watched the documentary on her currently airing in UK and soon to be airing in US. It does a good job of identifying all the triggers to which she responded during her life and career - abusive mother, repressive Catholic Church, sexist music industry - but then tries to present her as some big activist and seems to completely deny/ ignore that she had significant long-term mental health issues.
It also completely failed to address her conversion to Islam, thus leaving the viewer confused as to why she would make a big point of leaving one large world religion that is seen as repressing women, only to join the other large world religion that is seen as repressing women. It's like she rejected Coke but took up drinking Pepsi, and there's no explanation why the Pepsi is better or different. One would have expected her to convert to Rastafarianism if anything, as the documentary shows her clearly enjoying Rasta people and culture.
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Post by theguvnor on Jul 27, 2023 20:40:49 GMT
She was an activist but her activism was disorganized and more sporadic than such a presentation would admit. She did an album of Reggae songs which is ok. It's not her best work but it's not bad. I think her best work was really mostly done by the mid 1990s and after that. The album of Reggae songs uses a picture of Sinead dressed for her First Communion for the cover. She also has this on the album before - 'The Lamb's Book of Life' - where she mixes up quotes from W.B. Yeats with dub Reggae sounds:- www.youtube.com/watch?v=rSxuRHUa2PUA few people did point out the issues with the conversion to Islam but they got such flak they stopped after a bit. RTE has a whole special section for this event. Sinead went over three decades from being a pariah at points to becoming an icon. Neither is a realistic way to assess her life in my view.
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Post by theguvnor on Jul 27, 2023 21:02:01 GMT
This is the section on Sinead on RTE right now:
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Post by tisbearself on Jul 28, 2023 12:40:52 GMT
That doc on her was interesting in that it showed a lot of her early life and career, but then it went off the rails trying to paint her as some advocate or activist, like Greta Thunberg. I agree that now she’s dead they’ll try to make her into an icon of protesting child abuse or protesting racism or something. That sells books, documentaries and records. She will be more popular dead than alive because now no one selling her product will have to worry about what crazy outspoken thing she might say or do next.
I started reading her recent memoirs for the more complete picture. Emotionally it’s a bit heavy to read so I’m not sure when I will finish. But it’s very clear she has always been in constant communication with God.
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Post by theguvnor on Jul 28, 2023 12:59:32 GMT
She already had an iconic status regarding the child abuse issue. But it causes rows whenever her name comes up with that. You will get one side going on about how she exposed the 'pedo priests who ruined Ireland' and another (the minority one in most cases) noting how she, 'betrayed her faith/culture etc.' My view is somewhere in-between as the debate is too complicated for either point of view to sum up the issues. I don't think she 'betrayed her faith or culture' or anything of the kind.
She will become what Amy Winehouse is to the UK. People will stick a statue up and put up murals of her. Roll the clock forward twenty years and she will either still be huge or start being forgotten.
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