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Post by katy777 on Mar 9, 2021 23:31:58 GMT
My nephew came to my home to discuss some issues regarding his mother. After being around him he told us he had covid a few weeks ago...nice ugh.
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Post by ratioetfides on Mar 10, 2021 0:22:47 GMT
Got the Moderna vaccine yesterday. Sore arm, very sleepy, but no ill effects. Thank you Jesus! First or Second dose? For me, immediate after effects would be of concern, which thankfully you don't have so far, but the long term effects are what would most concern me, which nobody knows yet and have the potential to be very serious with the occurrence of ADE IMO. There is also the possibility of 'transfection' with these mRNA Vaccines which I need to do more research on and would also greatly concern me, where it could alter your DNA. God Bless The concern these mRNA vaccines could alter DNA evidently has been making its away around various communities. RNA can potentially alter DNA in a certain set of narrow circumstances. This is the pathway of a retrovirus. A retrovirus is equipped with mechanisms by which to translocate from the cytoplasm to the nucleus. Additionally, a successful retrovirus would have an upstream primer for reverse-transcriptase enabling it to potentially hijack nuclear DNA and replicate with a potential for altering the host DNA. These mRNA vaccines do not have a mechanism by which to translocate from the cytoplasm to the nucleus. In addition they do not have primers for reverse-transcriptase or any other enzymes which may be necessarily to gain access to the anti-sense strand of the DNA double helix and allow for reverse transcription with a potential DNA alterations. It is important to remember these vaccines consist of a small mRNA fragment. They are not a RNA genome as one would expect to find in a retrovirus. These strands are very fragile, so fragile they require cold storage and must be encased in a lipid bubble just to stay together long enough to make its way into the cellular cytoplasm. Once there, the fragment survives long enough to act in concert with tRNA and rRNA to construct a spike protein before it succumbs to intra-cellular conditions.
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Post by katy777 on Mar 10, 2021 1:38:29 GMT
New varient covid 5. On my Google feed.
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Post by pianistclare on Mar 10, 2021 14:38:16 GMT
First dose. Everyone can debate vaccines, but I am happy to get it.
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Post by vz71 on Mar 13, 2021 16:14:04 GMT
No.
They rushed the vaccine.
I am anticipating seeing the vaccines involved in law suits later on for various unforseen effects.
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Post by ratioetfides on Mar 13, 2021 16:28:07 GMT
No. They rushed the vaccine. I am anticipating seeing the vaccines involved in law suits later on for various unforseen effects. What is the minimum time for vaccine development with which you are comfortable? Eg 2yrs, 5, 10, etc... What will these effects be? How long will it take for these effects to surface? How much time must pass to alleviate such a concern if these effects are not observed in any meaningful way?
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Post by vz71 on Mar 13, 2021 19:03:53 GMT
No. They rushed the vaccine. I am anticipating seeing the vaccines involved in law suits later on for various unforseen effects. What is the minimum time for vaccine development with which you are comfortable? Eg 2yrs, 5, 10, etc... What will these effects be? How long will it take for these effects to surface? How much time must pass to alleviate such a concern if these effects are not observed in any meaningful way? Comfort has little to do with it. Average time to create a vaccine is roughly 5 years. They pulled off 3 different vaccines in 8 months. This tells me the vaccines were rushed. As to the effects...there is no way to tell what they would be or how long it would take for them to show. Suffice that I will not take part.
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Post by ratioetfides on Mar 13, 2021 21:24:30 GMT
What is the minimum time for vaccine development with which you are comfortable? Eg 2yrs, 5, 10, etc... What will these effects be? How long will it take for these effects to surface? How much time must pass to alleviate such a concern if these effects are not observed in any meaningful way? Comfort has little to do with it. Average time to create a vaccine is roughly 5 years. They pulled off 3 different vaccines in 8 months. This tells me the vaccines were rushed. As to the effects...there is no way to tell what they would be or how long it would take for them to show. Suffice that I will not take part. This is interesting and seems to be a rather common minority sentiment. Is there something scientific or magical about a period of 1,826 days? Would you expect vaccine development today to take the same amount of time as in the first historical efforts? Are the vaccines which averaged a 5 year development the same type of vaccines we see here, namely mRNA or could the very nature of the present vaccines reduce the amount of time needed for development? The sentiment seems to be those vaccinated should expect some type of unspecified side effects over an indefinite period of time. Would you attribute the development of any adverse medical conditions in a vaccinated person to the vaccines in perpetuity? If not, which should be ascribed to the vaccines? Essentially this is science turned on its head. A conclusion is reached and evidence/results will have to be cherry picked to support the forgone conclusion.
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Post by vz71 on Mar 13, 2021 22:08:21 GMT
Comfort has little to do with it. Average time to create a vaccine is roughly 5 years. They pulled off 3 different vaccines in 8 months. This tells me the vaccines were rushed. As to the effects...there is no way to tell what they would be or how long it would take for them to show. Suffice that I will not take part. This is interesting and seems to be a rather common minority sentiment. Is there something scientific or magical about a period of 1,826 days? Would you expect vaccine development today to take the same amount of time as in the first historical efforts? Are the vaccines which averaged a 5 year development the same type of vaccines we see here, namely mRNA or could the very nature of the present vaccines reduce the amount of time needed for development? The sentiment seems to be those vaccinated should expect some type of unspecified side effects over an indefinite period of time. Would you attribute the development of any adverse medical conditions in a vaccinated person to the vaccines in perpetuity? If not, which should be ascribed to the vaccines? Essentially this is science turned on its head. A conclusion is reached and evidence/results will have to be cherry picked to support the forgone conclusion. There is nothing magic about the timeframe, it is simply the average time to develop a vaccine. No, historically vaccines are not mRNA. That is relatively new tech. Something else that would lead me to believe caution is warranted. It is not science turned on its head to believe caution is warranted.
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Post by ratioetfides on Mar 13, 2021 22:24:30 GMT
This is interesting and seems to be a rather common minority sentiment. Is there something scientific or magical about a period of 1,826 days? Would you expect vaccine development today to take the same amount of time as in the first historical efforts? Are the vaccines which averaged a 5 year development the same type of vaccines we see here, namely mRNA or could the very nature of the present vaccines reduce the amount of time needed for development? The sentiment seems to be those vaccinated should expect some type of unspecified side effects over an indefinite period of time. Would you attribute the development of any adverse medical conditions in a vaccinated person to the vaccines in perpetuity? If not, which should be ascribed to the vaccines? Essentially this is science turned on its head. A conclusion is reached and evidence/results will have to be cherry picked to support the forgone conclusion. There is nothing magic about the timeframe, it is simply the average time to develop a vaccine. No, historically vaccines are not mRNA. That is relatively new tech. Something else that would lead me to believe caution is warranted. It is not science turned on its head to believe caution is warranted. mRNA vaccine research has been ongoing since the 1980’s. Have you considered the development of a specific mRNA vaccine may require less time to develop than more traditional vaccines, particularly when done so in the context of a worldwide effort aided by governments, quasi-government institutions, charitable organizations, and private corporations? Concluding there will be widespread, unspecified adverse effects and using caution with an open mind are two entirely different undertakings. Concluding widespread adverse effects will occur and cherry-picking evidence/data to support a forgone conclusion is certainly turning science on its head.
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Post by vz71 on Mar 13, 2021 22:42:25 GMT
"mRNA vaccine research has been ongoing since the 1980’s"
Yes. And that makes it relatively new tech. Particularly when compared to the tech for vaccines in general. In fact, these covid vaccines are the first mRNA vaccines. Even more reason to proceed with caution.
As to cherry picking...I have not done so. I resent the accusations.
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Post by vz71 on Mar 13, 2021 23:22:05 GMT
My nephew came to my home to discuss some issues regarding his mother. After being around him he told us he had covid a few weeks ago...nice ugh. I do not understand why having covid a few weeks ago would be a problem.
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Post by ratioetfides on Mar 14, 2021 2:47:19 GMT
"mRNA vaccine research has been ongoing since the 1980’s" Yes. And that makes it relatively new tech. Particularly when compared to the tech for vaccines in general. In fact, these covid vaccines are the first mRNA vaccines. Even more reason to proceed with caution. As to cherry picking...I have not done so. I resent the accusations. At what point in time does a medical technology cease to be ‘relatively new?’ What level of caution should be used in the case of these vaccines? Should human injection be prohibited? If not, how many humans should be authorized for injection at the current time? If you read carefully, using critical reading skills, you will note no accusations have been made and there is no cause for resentment. There is merely commentary on a certain line of thinking and its generally necessary end.
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Post by vz71 on Mar 14, 2021 3:48:03 GMT
"There is merely commentary on a certain line of thinking and its generally necessary end."
Considering mine is the position you have been peppering with questions, you need to be more specific about this "certain line of reasoning" lest you come across to others as accusing people falsely.
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Post by vz71 on Mar 14, 2021 3:55:08 GMT
"At what point in time does a medical technology cease to be ‘relatively new?’"
Given only one set of vaccines has been made with this tech... Ask that question after several more have been produced with this tech.
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