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Post by katy777 on Feb 10, 2021 23:59:22 GMT
I am on the fence. What do you think?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2021 0:08:39 GMT
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Post by josh987654321 on Feb 11, 2021 1:14:31 GMT
NO WAY!!! In it's most simplistic form, it's a radically new technology with synthetic mRNA that works nothing like previous Vaccines and is instead in the realm of genetic engineering. It's development has been rushed including it's rollout with 'emergency' approvals due to trillions of dollars of lockdown costs and there are no long term results. Even in the short term there are already many who have had severe adverse reactions such as sudden death within 24 hours after taking it, we still do not know what the ADE consequences will be (ADE - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antibody-dependent_enhancement ) which was a major problem when they tried to develop a Vaccine against SARS-CoV 1 (Covid 19 is SARS-CoV 2). And this is all without mentioning those behind it like Bill Gates who is all about depopulation and sterilization, which they tried in South Africa and later denied even after admitting they were already working on contraceptives in the form of Vaccines for those in places like India and South Africa where contraceptives are not readily available. Even the UK told those thinking of becoming pregnant and those who are pregnant not to take it. All this when even the CDC at it's worst said there was a 98.56% survival rate for COVID 19 (which is over 99% now) and that is when proven effective treatments such as Hydroxychloroquine, Zinc and Antibiotics combo and Ivermectin were unjustly and unscientifically condemned for big pharma who invested billions and stand to make trillions over these Vaccines at $20 a pop for the Pfizer jab, add to that just how tainted with abortion they are (more on that can be found here - rumble.com/vdhev7-the-proof-many-aborted-babies-are-used-in-vaccine-creation.html ) and there are countless reasons why I would never touch this new mRNA tech. So unless you are in an 'at risk' category such as over 70 with pre-existing conditions, then there is absolutely no reason to take it, and even when over 70 with pre-existing conditions, many of them are dying from adverse reactions to the new mRNA tech itself, which of course is put down as 'pre-existing conditions' and nothing to do with the Vaccine, Ironic because when it comes to COVID deaths it's the exact opposite. P.S. and my favorite, these companies Pfizer & Moderna etc all have indemnity, immunity from liability, if this were a Car Salesman I wouldn't touch it lol. In saying all that, I certainly don't want to get covid, and with reasonable precautions hope I don't, but I would rather get covid then take this rushed experimental jab with countless problems, including ethical and physical harm. God Bless You
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Post by farronwolf on Feb 11, 2021 1:22:10 GMT
As soon as I am allowed to get it I will. I want to protect my life and the lives of those whom I may come in contact with, especially my 95 year old mother.
If others choose not to take it, that is their choice. However for those same people, if they have no background to give such advice other than internet cowboying, they should in no way try to convince others one way or the other on the matter. They are not qualified to do so. Period.
To say that if you aren't in an at risk category or have X condition, someone should not get it is nonsense. People without preexisting conditions or under age 70 have certainly died from this virus.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2021 3:29:09 GMT
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Post by josh987654321 on Feb 11, 2021 6:54:09 GMT
I want to protect my life and the lives of those whom I may come in contact with, especially my 95 year old mother. Do you know that even if you do get the jab you are still told to wear masks and social distance? Since it is not yet known by what degree if any, it effects transmission of the virus, thus you are not protecting anyone but yourself at this stage even if you believe in the effectiveness of the jab. If your 95 year old mother also takes the jab, well, I would talk her out of it personally, but it's her choice, if she dies soon after I hope you wont be among the dishonest bunch putting it down as pre-existing conditions and unrelated to the Vaccine. If others choose not to take it, that is their choice. However for those same people, if they have no background to give such advice other than internet cowboying, they should in no way try to convince others one way or the other on the matter. They are not qualified to do so. Period. It is their choice indeed, but one needs to learn about it before they can make an informed decision, a decision which will prove costly as they try to mandate this rushed experimental jab, which means we do even more research to be sure especially when rejecting it could be costly. To say that if you aren't in an at risk category or have X condition, someone should not get it is nonsense. People without preexisting conditions or under age 70 have certainly died from this virus. 99% + survival rate, I'll take my chances, even then it's mutated to the point that this risk has been reduced even further especially from that which originally left Wuhan in the early days. These virus mutations also put the effectiveness of the jab in jeopardy while also greatly increasing the risk of ADE and other side effects IMO. If you want to take it though, go for it, would love to hear how it's going later down the track, immediate effects and especially long term such as the severity of any new viruses you may get.
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Post by farronwolf on Feb 11, 2021 14:41:05 GMT
If others choose not to take it, that is their choice. However for those same people, if they have no background to give such advice other than internet cowboying, they should in no way try to convince others one way or the other on the matter. They are not qualified to do so. Period. Funny, because there are Experts that say we shouldn't take them. Which are we supposed to believe? Fauci and Gates who, big surprise, just happen to profiting of all this? Just a coincidence I'm sure. It's not like Gates are Facui would ever mislead the public right? Oh they screwed up? "Oh it's an on going learning process, we could not have possibly known even though we misled into believe we did!" If you want to be a guinea pig, be my guest. What evidence do you have that Fauci and Gates are profiting off of the vaccine? Please post relevant credible evidence. Also post links to what experts advise against getting the vaccine for the general public. Credible sources as well please.
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Post by farronwolf on Feb 11, 2021 14:46:11 GMT
"Do you know that even if you do get the jab you are still told to wear masks and social distance? Since it is not yet known by what degree if any, it effects transmission of the virus, thus you are not protecting anyone but yourself at this stage even if you believe in the effectiveness of the jab. If your 95 year old mother also takes the jab, well, I would talk her out of it personally, but it's her choice, if she dies soon after I hope you wont be among the dishonest bunch putting it down as pre-existing conditions and unrelated to the Vaccine."
I promise you are not informing me of anything credible which I don't already know.
My 95 year old mother has dementia so she can't make that decision for herself. My eldest sister who has her doctorate in nursing, and a retired dean of a nursing school, is her medical POA, and is much better informed and researched than you or I, so that decision was hers, and my mother has already received the vaccine, both doses. Mom is doing wonderfully thank you and is able to spend time with her family of which she is the matriarch of about 70 of us in total.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2021 15:06:30 GMT
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Post by farronwolf on Feb 11, 2021 15:19:35 GMT
What evidence do you have that Fauci and Gates are profiting off of the vaccine? Please post relevant credible evidence. Also post links to what experts advise against getting the vaccine for the general public. Credible sources as well please. Uh, Gates owns the company that produces the Moderna Vaccine, ergo, HE PROFITS OF IT. Did they not teach critical thinking when you went through school? Geez what a hard conclusion to come to! You don't even need evidence. Heck, even a propaganda network like CNN posted a story about that: archive.is/iuQ9sImagine that, even a garbage news source like CNN has said it. I would love to get your the source on experts who advise not getting it, but it seems every link I have has been pulled. For instance www.youtube.com/watch?v=JkvEnsjXdyc this was a video of a Top Doctor in France warning about it, but OOPS! Youtube has decided to cancel this doctor for wrong think! How dare he go against the narrative! So yeah, I can't even give you a source on it because every single link I have on it has been pulled. But hey, feel free to call me a liar. Really, Bill Gates owns Moderna. money.cnn.com/quote/shareholders/shareholders.html?symb=MRNA&subView=institutionalmoney.cnn.com/quote/shareholders/shareholders.html?symb=CTLT&subView=institutionalYou really are going to have to give me some more info. What about Fauci, what companies does he own?
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Post by farronwolf on Feb 11, 2021 15:34:31 GMT
Yes he does. I'm done wasting time. Because you say he does that makes it so. Seems the financial world and the list of ownership of stock percentages disagrees with you. You are right about wasting time. Too many people have wasted too much time believing lies, while others have spent too much time trying to show them what truth really is. It is hopeless for some sorry to say.
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Post by homeschooldad on Feb 11, 2021 15:35:04 GMT
I pretty much have to. I have elderly, disabled parents to care for --- my father is gravely ill with an unknown debilitating illness that so far has not been diagnosed --- and I have to have some chance of taking my son on at least a socially-distanced vacation (camping, cabins, possibly an outer-corridor lodge or hotel), I am for all practical purposes his sole custodial parent (de facto, though not legally) and he has no one else who will do this for him. Thankfully, I am in line for the non-abortive-derived Pfizer vaccine. My appointment is around the first of April.
Not crazy about it, but as I said, I pretty much have to. If there are questions of male sterility that will only be known in time to come, I am past my child-fathering years anyway, I am still bound to my wife who is in an illicit union with no annulment, and even if I weren't, I wouldn't be looking to marry a woman of childbearing age anyway. As far as other side-effects, we may just have to trust in Divine Providence on this one, and realize that they may assault our bodies, but cannot assault our souls, unless we give them permission to.
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Post by farronwolf on Feb 11, 2021 15:38:17 GMT
I pretty much have to. I have elderly, disabled parents to care for --- my father is gravely ill with an unknown debilitating illness that so far has not been diagnosed --- and I have to have some chance of taking my son on at least a socially-distanced vacation (camping, cabins, possibly an outer-corridor lodge or hotel), I am for all practical purposes his sole custodial parent (de facto, though not legally) and he has no one else who will do this for him. Thankfully, I am in line for the non-abortive-derived Pfizer vaccine. My appointment is around the first of April.
Not crazy about it, but as I said, I pretty much have to. If there are questions of male sterility that will only be known in time to come, I am past my child-fathering years anyway, I am still bound to my wife who is in an illicit union with no annulment, and even if I weren't, I wouldn't be looking to marry a woman of childbearing age anyway. As far as other side-effects, we may just have to trust in Divine Providence on this one, and realize that they may assault our bodies, but cannot assault our souls, unless we give them permission to.
Good luck, and best wishes for your father's diagnosis, and possible treatment. This is a very trying time for the elderly and those who are tasked with caring for them.
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Post by pianistclare on Feb 11, 2021 15:38:18 GMT
I have to as well. Employee of the Archdiocese. I come in contact with WAY too many people daily. our Parish is soon going to be a vaccination spot. I'm on the list first.
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