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Post by josh987654321 on Apr 28, 2021 10:35:20 GMT
Still not convinced to get it. Not enough research. Just last week we had some Australian Bishops issue a 'Get Vaccinated for the common good' thing in our bulletin, they say "Vaccination is a morally good thing" and "Some Vaccines are associated with morally questionable production and research practices" and "The Australian Bishops have advised that it is morally permissible to receive any Vaccine made available" 1) They say it's for the common good, but they aren't Doctors, they didn't make it, they don't know what's in it or the likely consequences. The AstraZeneca was sold to us as 100% safe and effective, a total lie. 2) Morally questionable? Excuse me? the word they are looking for is murder and I was taught that the ends don't justify the means, but whatever. It's funny though, because in stark contrast to this was the scripture readings on the same day, which couldn't be more inspired for such a time as this, praise be to God. 1) First Reading Acts 4:8-12 "8 Peter, filled with the Holy Spirit, said: “Leaders of the people and elders: 9 If we are being examined today about a good deed done to a cripple, namely, by what means he was saved, 10 then all of you and all the people of Israel should know that it was in the name of Jesus Christ the Nazorean whom you crucified, whom God raised from the dead; in his name this man stands before you healed. 11 He is the stone rejected by you, the builders, which has become the cornerstone. 12 There is no salvation through anyone else, nor is there any other name under heaven given to the human race by which we are to be saved.” 2) R. Alleluia. 1 Give thanks to the LORD, for he is good, for his mercy endures forever. 8 It is better to take refuge in the LORD than to trust in man. 9 It is better to take refuge in the LORD than to trust in princes. R. The stone rejected by the builders has become the cornerstone. 3) Jesus said: 11 “I am the good shepherd. A good shepherd lays down his life for the sheep. 12 A hired man, who is not a shepherd and whose sheep are not his own, sees a wolf coming and leaves the sheep and runs away, and the wolf catches and scatters them. Couldn't be a more perfect rebuke IMO. They are also lying about the AstraZeneca Vaccine by saying it doesn't effect the over 50's, which is 100% a lie, because it absolutely does, it's just that they deem a flawed cost/benefit analysis somehow justifies this outright lie. Just the other night they were talking about India's 2nd wave crisis, but many of them were Vaccinated back in January, a fact conveniently left out. Western propaganda is the blind leading the blind, they are going to all fall into a ditch. "For the sake of His sorrowful passion, have mercy on us and on the whole world." God Bless You
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Post by homeschooldad on Apr 29, 2021 17:07:01 GMT
I got the second of two Pfizer shots this morning, after which I took my completed vaccination card up the street to Office Depot, and had it copied and laminated. It is in my wallet and the original is in my bedside mini-safe so it won't get lost. Feeling okay so far, though that could change in the next day or two. My target right now is to get back to Holy Mass (and to a much-needed reception of the sacrament of penance) in three Sundays, if my father's invalid care will allow me to be away from home that long. (I always sit on the far outside end of the pew near an exit, so I can leave on a moment's notice if he gets in bad shape and I need to return home immediately.)
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Post by homeschooldad on Apr 29, 2021 17:10:15 GMT
Still not convinced to get it. Not enough research. Some say Pfizer jab gives you shingles. I've had shingles in my 20s yes 20s and it is painful. I got shingles last year. This is because of no varicella vax when I was young. So I got chicken pox. Shingles feel like an open sore someone keeps stabbing. And punching. For me, these corona virus vaccines remind me of thamaldicide babies. I am not a risk group. I would never get this vax for my kids ..yet. I'm just observing. I've already had a shingles vaccine in the past month or two. And I am in a risk group, not necessarily so much for myself, as that I must stay well to care for my parents and to minimize, as much as humanly possible, the chance of getting it myself. If my father caught COVID, that would pretty much be the end for him.
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Post by pianistclare on Apr 29, 2021 17:29:32 GMT
I've had the shingles vaccine this year. FAR WORSE than the Covid for side affect and pain. But it's done, and I'm glad. My mom suffered terribly with Shingles.
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Post by katy777 on Apr 30, 2021 10:50:11 GMT
I guess it's the commercials too for other medicine. They always put the side effects later..some say death..eek. I don't watch Jeopardy any more because these pharma commercials.
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Post by toddy on May 2, 2021 2:15:15 GMT
About 4/100,000 died from vaccine affect, but 99% of 99,996 others avoided virus infections.
Without vaccines, about 10% or 10,000 people would be infected, but almost same 4/100,000 deaths with or w/o vaccines.
I will skip Moderna next year. The risk is small .1 x .15 or 15/1000 can zero out with mask.
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Post by ralfy on May 3, 2021 2:52:14 GMT
From what I know, vaccines don't prevent infections but lessen the severe effects of infection.
Also, the issue is not just mortality rates but long covid.
Third, for most the world, shortages for health care that may be overwhelmed by severe cases.
Fourth, there are also suffering and death brought about by lockdowns and lower levels of economic activity.
Finally, side effects cannot be avoided because it usually takes longer amounts of time to develop, test, and tweak vaccines.
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Post by CCSGUEST on May 3, 2021 16:45:39 GMT
I know someone who is scheduled for the vaccine this Friday. She had a a chest x-ray over the weekend and it showed pneumonia and is now on antibiotics. If the Covid test comes back positive she will have to wait. If it's negative I'm not sure about her still getting The vaccine on Friday. I searched for if it is safe for someone with pnuemonia to get the vaccine or if they should wait for it to clear. All I got were results for the pneumonia vaccine vis a vis the Covid vaccine. Nothing about current pnuemonia infection vis a vis the Covid vaccine. The doctors don't seem to know either.
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Post by RN69 on May 4, 2021 5:39:46 GMT
I know someone who is scheduled for the vaccine this Friday. She had a a chest x-ray over the weekend and it showed pneumonia and is now on antibiotics. If the Covid test comes back positive she will have to wait. If it's negative I'm not sure about her still getting The vaccine on Friday. I searched for if it is safe for someone with pnuemonia to get the vaccine or if they should wait for it to clear. All I got were results for the pneumonia vaccine vis a vis the Covid vaccine. Nothing about current pnuemonia infection vis a vis the Covid vaccine. The doctors don't seem to know either. I couldn't find anything specific having to do with pneumonia and getting the COVID vaccine but did find some general guidelines on getting vaccinated when sick. As a retired RN who gave vaccines, I personally would not give any vaccine to someone who was actively fighting an illness especially if that person had a fever. Your body's immune system is already engaged in a battle to build up your defenses against a foreign invader. Waiting until you have recouped from pneumonia before asking your body to produce antibodies would be the more prudent course of action IMO. If there was evidence of pneumonia on a CXR, the lungs have already been compromised and need time to get rid of that consolidation. It may be that the pneumonia was COVID caused and in that case it is advised to wait up to 3 months after your symptoms have subsided before getting the COVID vaccine. Hope that this helps with at least some guidelines but getting a Drs. advice would be better. Perhaps you or your friend can call the Public Health Department's immunization clinic. You might get a more definitive answer if you can't get one from the doctor. www.wusa9.com/article/news/verify/can-i-get-the-covid-vaccine-i-am-sick-or-had-covid-vaccine-explainers-101-fact-check/65-6ae7a5d1-f2e8-4d8d-b359-511e3980df6d
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Post by CCSGUEST on May 5, 2021 14:06:23 GMT
Thanks for the reply. I spoke with two doctors after posting here and they said to wait to get the vaccine until the x-ray in three weeks from the time of diagnosis shows the pneumonia is cleared. Her Covid test came back negative so unless she's infected in the meantime she can get the vaccine as soon as the pneumonia clears.
As far as for people who had the virus you say to wait three months before getting the vaccine. I've heard that, but also heard that it's safe to get the vaccine four to six weeks after symptoms go away.
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Post by shastarose on May 5, 2021 16:53:47 GMT
I've had the shingles vaccine this year. FAR WORSE than the Covid for side affect and pain. But it's done, and I'm glad. My mom suffered terribly with Shingles. I've had the shingles vaccine and also the Pfizer vaccine for Covid. I can't imagine not getting vaccinated for everything possible, if it's something my doctor recommends. Why wouldn't I want as much protection as possible? I'm so happy we are living in a time when these things are available to us. What would they have given for these vaccinations back in the Middle Ages? (When the Shingrex vaccine first came out, it wasn't covered by my insurance, so I elected to not spend the $160 or so, and I got shingles. Once I got treated for that and got over it, the vaccine was suddenly covered by my insurance. I went and got vaccinated as soon after recovering from shingles as possible. Take my advice, people. You really don't want that disease. Get the vaccination.)
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Post by Beryllos on May 5, 2021 17:08:31 GMT
When the Shingrex vaccine first came out, it wasn't covered by my insurance, so I elected to not spend the $160 or so, and I got shingles. Once I got treated for that and got over it, the vaccine was suddenly covered by my insurance. When I first looked into it, Shingrix was not covered by my health plan. I decided to get it anyway, expecting to pay, but around that time, the plan had started covering it fully. Hooray! I've received the first dose of Shingrix already, then became eligible for the covid vaccine and started that (second dose coming this Sunday), and then I'll give it another month before I get the second dose of Shingrix. I'm looking forward to finishing both of these immunizations.
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Post by joeg on May 12, 2021 21:41:37 GMT
Apr 28, 2021 6:35:20 GMT -4 josh987654321 said: ... Just last week we had some Australian Bishops issue a 'Get Vaccinated for the common good' thing in our bulletin, they say "Vaccination is a morally good thing" and "Some Vaccines are associated with morally questionable production and research practices" It is very clear that the bishops are victims of mis/disinformation. The ethics in messages such as the ones above are so inadequate. This from a rather animated Dr. Joseph Mercola comes to mind about the COVID deception. "Take that facts that we know that are not controversial and put on the thinking cap that God gave you and think it through yourself and stop listening to propaganda. If you are rational you cannot come to any other conclusion" @50min in this long interview youtu.be/T9Rpz7WGIwQ?t=2976Dr. Peter McCullough, long time med school professor, author of 600 published papers, editor of two medical journals, etc, was recently interviewed by Tucker Carlson of Fox. Carlson is in the news business but was unaware of some of the most terrible C19 research deception of the past year. rumble.com/vgqfkd-full-interview-peter-mccullough-on-covid-19-successes-and-failures.htmlSo if someone in the news business is unaware of the medical research corruption and downstream deception by medical leadership, how would the bishops be aware of the truth? McCullough says the medical research deception has been a crime against humanity--things that bishops just might want to speak out against! Dr. Peter McCullough - academic fraud [ NJEM and Lancet had to retract fake papers ] rumble.com/vdaf6v-dr.-peter-mccullough-academic-fraud.htmlMcCullough says the paper he and an international group of doctors got published about treatments for outpatients has been downloaded more times than any other C19 related paper in the world. Youtube censored the video he made explaining it! The case series on their recommended outpatient treatments reportedly resulted in reduction in hospitalization by 87% & Death 75% trialsitenews.com/texas-physician-researchers-case-series-finds-reduction-in-covid-19-hospitalization-by-87-6-death-74-9/Those numbers are not surprising to anyone who has been following the meta-analysis of Ivermectin studies. ivmmeta.com/The WHO's own consultant concluded that the Ivermectin studies are suggesting it reduced death by 75%. youtu.be/IQkoL2l3-gg?t=524Basic medical ethics involve a risk-benefit analysis and informed consent. So why would you give a poorly tested new vaccine to healthy young adults who have almost no chance of death without any outpatient treatment and even lower chance with outpatient treatments that are now available?! Furthermore it is obviously morally evil to coerce such people to take the risk of getting such a medical intervention. I understand that the bishops are not medical researchers but it is incredible that the bishops are THIS GULLIBLE!
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Post by josh987654321 on May 15, 2021 11:04:28 GMT
It is very clear that the bishops are victims of mis/disinformation. Partly yes, but mostly no. Even if they don't know the extent of this murderous practice involved in production, they know it's involved and they are intentionally justifying it, they aren't Doctors either, what they do know they are excusing and what they don't know they are accepting and pushing. It's what happens when one is always compromising with the world, eventually there is nowhere to retreat to. Pray for them, but also wise as serpents innocent as doves. So if someone in the news business is unaware of the medical research corruption and downstream deception by medical leadership, how would the bishops be aware of the truth? They don't have to know, all they need to know is that it involves abortion (which they do) and thus they'll have nothing to do with it, it's one thing to not condemn those who take it, but to encourage the faithful to get it? That's a whole new category that does not apply to mere ignorance IMO. If I got the AstraZeneca jab that was available in Australia and that was sold as 100% safe and effective, I would be furious, and the fact that nobody is responsible or held accountable? (of course), then to have these Bishops promoting it even with the abortion issue as well, talk about a stab in the back on multiple levels, but alas these are the times we are in, and thankfully it has never been more easier to spot them, since it's popular to hold and push heretical views such people no longer hide them, it's in the open, which is sad and depressing on one level but also very helpful IMO. I understand that the bishops are not medical researchers but it is incredible that the bishops are THIS GULLIBLE! Follow the money, this is how the Catholic Schools and the next generation of Catholics were completely stolen. Fr Mark Goring just mentioned the other day about how his Bishop decaled it the Sacred Heart month and the Catholic Schools in Canada declared a 'pride' month in the Schools, such Schools are gone, totally gone and it is false advertising to have the word 'Catholic' in their name. God Bless You
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