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Post by Beryllos on Mar 24, 2021 15:43:47 GMT
Just one more example. We all want safe and effective vaccines to be available; however we hear about the vaccines ad nauseam. It is as if they are pretending that the vaccines are our only hope against this virus. But we all know that most people who had a positive COVID19 test result got sent home without medication and recovered. Obviously for most people our God-given immune system was sufficient to fight the virus. Did you know, polio before vaccine had a pretty good recovery rate too. Most people had no symptoms. A few people had flu-like symptoms but recovered fine. About one percent were paralyzed, and only a fraction of those died. Hooray for our immune system! It is pretty awesome. Are you going to let your kids get their polio shots?
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Post by AgnusDei on Mar 24, 2021 19:02:42 GMT
joeg Thank you so much for this post, and the time to put it together. Dominus vobiscum
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Post by ratioetfides on Mar 24, 2021 21:19:59 GMT
Quote Ratioetfides: "Ownerships of patents by the NIH allow for the licensing of patent protected medical interventions at greatly reduced prices from commercially held patents. Individual scientists listed as additional patent holders are indeed legible for bonuses funded by royalties of such licensing. Discerning readers will note Fauci’a name is not listed among such persons." I hear that the US National Institutes of Health (NIH) owns half of a key patent for the Moderna vaccine. childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/new-york-times-explains-lack-covid-treatments/ childrenshealthdefense.org/news/new-docs-nih-owns-half-of-moderna-vaccine/www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC545012/Dr Fauci runs one of the divisions of the NIH, the NAID. The connection between the NIH and the Moderna vaccine is concerning for a few reasons. From the CHD link above: "NIH’s stake in the jab may explain why Anthony Fauci moved Moderna’s vaccine to the front of the line and to let Moderna skip animal trials despite the experimental technology and the inherent dangers of Coronavirus vaccines. Every prior coronavirus vaccine has proven problematic and can be lethal to animals due to COVID’s unique penchant for “pathogenic priming.” Death occurs only after a vaccinated animal encounters the wild virus." Do I understand correctly that they did not even do animal trials concurrent with the human trials? I wonder why. The shorter life span of animals provides an opportunity to study the health of offspring of vaccinated animals, etc, yet would not have affected the timetable of the human trials. A second issue is the NIH's recommendations about treatments, especially treatments for outpatients. The NIH has been accused by one med school professor of "therapeutic nihilism," the suppression of available treatments that have evidence of efficacy. covexit.com/excellence-in-early-outpatient-treatment-v-therapeutic-nihilism/A Yale prof thinks the suppression of outpatient treatments may be costing tens of thousands of lives. covexit.com/fox-news-laura-ingrahams-stunning-interview-with-yale-professor-harvey-risch/A retired pathologist explains the possible motive for the NIH's suppression of available treatments. The FDA's Emergency Use Authorization regulations prohibit EUA when there is already an effective treatment. If a treatment combo such as the I-Mask+ protocol by the FLCCC group of med school profs was shown to be very effective, Fauci and friends may not have gotten their EUA for the experimental vaccine technology. Or maybe they only would have gotten permission to sell their vaccine to high risk and older folks. www.peakprosperity.com/private-profits-vs-public-health/covid19criticalcare.com/Finally Fauci is all over mainstream media and treated almost as a medical god, even though there is this conflict of interest. He's essentially a vaccine salesman posing as an unbiased public servant. For those interested in coronavirus related patents this document is written by a guy whose company monitors for possible violations in international biowarfare related agreements. He is apparently also not fond of Fauci and friends such as UNC's coronavirus researcher, R. Baric. f.hubspotusercontent10.net/hubfs/8079569/The%20FauciCOVID-19%20Dossier.pdfFor those who prefer a video summary of some of Baric's coronavirus "gain of function" research (AKA bioweapons research) along with the Wuhan lab in China check out this several minute overview by a retired pathologist. Note you'll hear the term "zinc ionophore." The controversial medication hydroxychloroquine is the best known zinc ionophore. They move zinc into cells where zinc inhibits an enzyme needed by the virus to replicate. There is study data about this going back at least ten years. youtu.be/1plkwhi5KUE?t=1767For those who get some of their medical news from sources that don't get funding from Big Pharma there is much about the pandemic that doesn't smell right. The fact that so little of this is heard on corporate media and at times is even censored just adds to the suspicions. Just one more example. We all want safe and effective vaccines to be available; however we hear about the vaccines ad nauseam. It is as if they are pretending that the vaccines are our only hope against this virus. But we all know that most people who had a positive COVID19 test result got sent home without medication and recovered. Obviously for most people our God-given immune system was sufficient to fight the virus. Why is there so little discussion about support for that God-given immune system? There is now a pile of information about vitamin D and respiratory infections such as C19. Some of it is presented here for average folks. www.grassrootshealth.net/blog/review-vitamin-d-immune-health/They've known that many people are deficient in vitamin D in the Winter, especially the elderly and darker skinned people. Studies reported that those deficient in vitamin D were more likely to test positive and tended to have worse outcomes. A couple studies using vitamin D as a medication in hospitals reported faster recovery times or reduced ICU admission or a reduction in deaths. Catholics are obliged to care for one's gift of life every day, not just during a pandemic. Allowing oneself to become deficient in a substance required for adequate health is not virtuous, especially during a pandemic. So why have we heard so little about correcting vitamin D deficiency? Some people talk about vaccine mandates? Is anyone talking about a mandate to eliminate vitamin D deficiency? The Dems talk endlessly about racism and health care. Clearly they are two important issues. However are they and their friends in the media stressing the importance of being tested for vitamin D deficiency during a pandemic? The lack of balance between coverage of the experimental vaccines and correcting well known vitamin D deficiency seems strange. The claim is the NIH owns 1/2 of the Moderna patent. An article is attached which makes no such claim. The reality is the NIH owns some patented intellectual property underlying the Moderna vaccine. The 1/2 ownership comes from statements by Robert Kennedy Jr. It is true just because he says so despite evidence to the contrary and despite denials by others. Also attached is a British Medical Journal Article from 2005. No mention is made the article discusses completely different trials. No mention is made the current trials are part of a private-public partnership. The hope is less than discerning readers will assume the article is related to the current situation. This is a common tactic in this type of argumentation. It has already been seen in this thread and the linked sources. A prior claim was it is Fauci’s NIH. This has been abandoned for the truth of his directorship of the NIAD. However, the claim is still Fauci controls clinical trials and approval of vaccines. The FDA controls the course of vaccine study and approval, not the NIAD. The poster and CHD claim Fauci allowed Moderna to skip animal testing. Fauci does not determine the course of clinical testing; the FDA does. Anyone wishing to clarify the use of animal trials need do nothing more than consult DuckDuckGo or their favored search engine to establish the falsity of the claim. Much has been made of Fauci’s financial interest in the Moderna vaccine. No such interest has been evidenced and he personally has stated he has no such interest. Interestingly the linked BMJ article reports Fauci has received royalties in the past through the bonus program. Fauci donated these payments to charity. There appear to be 4 scientist within the NIH who may be eligible for bonus payments in connection with patents used by the current vaccines’ manufacturers the remainder the royalties, less bonus, will be collected by the NIH. The total annual royalties are in the neighborhood of $180mill. Those opposing vaccination, particularly those advancing conspiracy theories about the pandemic, will continue to find support for their views in the far reaches of the internet. In an effort to validate such views they will have to pass a mountain of evidence to the contrary.
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Post by joeg on Mar 25, 2021 2:35:38 GMT
There are other sites reporting about the NIH's stake in the Moderna vaccine. The reason this is important is that the US NIH --the governmental agency that Dr Fauci works for--stands to see increased revenue from the sale of the Moderna vaccine. Do you think some of that revenue will trickle down to the pockets of the employees? The NIH makes treatment guidelines. Front line doctors are hesitant to act in ways that are inconsistent with NIH and FDA guidelines for fear of liability in the event of a bad outcome with a patient. Do you want government organizations that greatly affect the decisions of your doctors to have conflicts of interest?! Some med school professors are suggesting that the NIH's guidelines about treatments for COVID-19 outpatients are inconsistent with the research data, essentially they are suppressing treatments for outpatients. For example covexit.com/excellence-in-early-outpatient-treatment-v-therapeutic-nihilism/In this short clip, a former med school prof, ICU doctor and one of the leaders of the FLCCC group of emergency med doctors with roughly 2000 published papers among them briefly explains several studies where Ivermectin was given to high risk health care workers or family members of C19 patients. The results were impressive. Ivermectin intake was associated with dramatically lower risk of getting sick. This professor has been very critical of the NIH's guidance about Ivermectin. www.youtube.com/watch?v=rrlS1Mt8rQ8&t=572sIn this one minute clip a researcher explains what happened when the government of Peru encouraged Ivermectin use many months ago. The various states of Peru started Ivermectin at different times, especially Lima which delayed Ivermectin use. The clip shows how much worse Lima did than other states but Lima's situation also improved after starting Ivermectin use. youtu.be/d6MZSWXr9Vo?t=338 Note: Dr Mobeen Syed explains this study better than its authors in this short clip. He then also explains the mechanisms of action of Ivermectin. youtu.be/1vB7S15t5pE?t=475Having effective treatments available for an illness affects the risk-benefit analysis for patients. There is lower risk for a bad outcome with the illness so there is less justification for accepting an experimental treatment--such as a vaccine--with poorly known long-term risks and benefits. Trial site news is critical of the NIH's stance about Ivermectin, especially the studies it chose as the basis of its neutral recommendation about the medicine in February. They suspect bias in the NIH's decision-making. trialsitenews.com/nih-covid-19-treatment-guidelines-panel-updates-position-on-ivermectin/Trial site news ends its article with the following: "Call to Action: Do some homework—read up on the different points of view. Don’t believe just one media (including this one). Look at a variety of sources and use your critical eye to understand more about what’s going on."
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Post by ratioetfides on Mar 25, 2021 20:18:04 GMT
^ What readers will not see is verification of the claim the NIH owns ‘half the patent’ for the Moderna vaccine. This was the previous claim here. As demonstrated the NIH has an interest in patented intellectual property underlying the Moderna vaccine. Is the suggestion the Moderna vaccine makes use of a single patent? To what extent does the NIH have an financial interest in the Moderna vaccine? What will the resulting ‘financial windfall’ to the NIH be? Is it of interest to readers Moderna has pledged to open label this vaccine (ie not pursuing patent infringements by other manufactures? Is the use of patents held by the NIH to license medical technologies so they may be administered at no to low cost objectionable to readers? The ‘conflict of interest’ seems to hinge on the willingness of the FDA to approve a medical technology solely to provide revenue for the NIH and a handful of scientists.
These are the tactics used to support such views and arguments. Line up of few partially true and tangentially related statements then use the statements to support wildly speculative and unsubstantiated claims.
Perhaps it is appropriate to step back and take a look at the scope of the conspiracy advanced here:
Moderna and the NIH were working on a new vaccine prior to the fist case of COVID in the US and the first vaccine doses were delivered within 43 days of the sequencing of the virus (leaving the door opened to claiming the virus is a biological agent purposefully unleashed by government actors). The CDC then employed a surveillance testing tool, which from the grave was ‘denounced’ by the test’s inventor for such use, to wildly inflate the number of those infected. These purposefully inflated numbers where in turned used to creat false pandemic conditions and allow for the use of ‘emergency measures.’ Under these emergency measures the US government suppressed the investigation of therapeutic options, despite over $8bill of funding for such research and investigation. The government only pursued immunization research and development. ‘The dems and their friends in the media’ all the while provided cover for these government actions and censored opposing views.
Once the government initiated the immunization research the Moderna vaccine effort was allowed to proceed with no animal trials and put to ‘the front of the line’ purely because the NIH has a massive financial stake in the distribution of the vaccine. Development of a very dangerous vaccine, it’s clinical testing, and distribution were rushed risking the lives of millions upon millions for the financial benefit of Fauci, a few additional scientists, and a single US governmental agency. The FDA was happy to put their stamp of approval upon such a rushed and dangerous vaccine. The FDA also committed to ignoring the reported widespread deleterious effects of the vaccine. After approval the US government and ‘Big Pharma’ were then able to strong-arm most of the world into vaccinating their populations. Finally all this has been done to fall in line with the effort of Bill Gates to depopulate the earth and his further enrichment.
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Post by josh987654321 on Mar 25, 2021 22:35:32 GMT
Finally Fauci is all over mainstream media and treated almost as a medical god, even though there is this conflict of interest. He's essentially a vaccine salesman posing as an unbiased public servant. And lets never forget an avowed liar, publicly for all who have eyes to see... and how is he rewarded? A promotion of course lol. Anyone who can continue to trust a confessed, unrepentant liar like that is seriously messed up in the head in my book. Any snake skin oil he sells will be checked, checked again and then time tested before I consider going anywhere near it. God Bless You
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Post by katy777 on Mar 28, 2021 0:31:06 GMT
As a side note, I am not out in public much and don't think any af these vaccines for Coronavirus are tested enough. I am not an anti vaxxer
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Post by joeg on Apr 3, 2021 15:10:53 GMT
Ratiofides: "Perhaps it is appropriate to step back and take a look at the scope of the conspiracy advanced here:"
I suspect we just have a number of evil-doers with similar or complementary goals.
Big Pharma sees an opportunity for more $ so they use their influence wherever they can.
The folks at the US NIH--Fauci and friends--know more $ will trickle down to them if more people are willing to take the experimental Moderna vaccine. So they spin the research data against promising treatments for outpatients.
The political Left in the US had reason to want to ruin the booming Trump economy prior to the election. They want a political system where they have more control and the people have less. So they too made it more difficult for outpatients to get treatments in a number of ways--medicine not available in their state, allow doctors to be harassed by medical boards, not promote available science-based interventions.
Corporate media gets much of its ad revenue from Pharma and corporate medicine. They are not going to bite the hand that feeds them, so they go along with the Pharma spin. Most of them are at least politically Left-leaning.
Billionaires have their various agendas. Bill Gates is supposedly heavily invested in Big Pharma. Online retail giants see an opportunity to damage their competitors--local mom & pop stores. Owners of local mom & pop stores are more likely to be Trump supporters.
We could go on.
The common theme is acting selfishly instead of for the common good.
The bishops have a golden opportunity for re-evangelization! They have a great opportunity to show how a world acting according to Christian principles works better, especially in times of crisis. Love your neighbor and even love your enemy, etc works much better than putting self interests ahead of the common good. I hope they don't continue to keep their heads in the sand.
Btw, if you were a selfish Big Pharma company, would you hire a bunch of 24 year olds to post pro-Pharma spin in social media sites? ; )
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Post by ratioetfides on Apr 3, 2021 23:32:30 GMT
Ratiofides: "Perhaps it is appropriate to step back and take a look at the scope of the conspiracy advanced here:" I suspect we just have a number of evil-doers with similar or complementary goals. Big Pharma sees an opportunity for more $ so they use their influence wherever they can. The folks at the US NIH--Fauci and friends--know more $ will trickle down to them if more people are willing to take the experimental Moderna vaccine. So they spin the research data against promising treatments for outpatients. The political Left in the US had reason to want to ruin the booming Trump economy prior to the election. They want a political system where they have more control and the people have less. So they too made it more difficult for outpatients to get treatments in a number of ways--medicine not available in their state, allow doctors to be harassed by medical boards, not promote available science-based interventions. Corporate media gets much of its ad revenue from Pharma and corporate medicine. They are not going to bite the hand that feeds them, so they go along with the Pharma spin. Most of them are at least politically Left-leaning. Billionaires have their various agendas. Bill Gates is supposedly heavily invested in Big Pharma. Online retail giants see an opportunity to damage their competitors--local mom & pop stores. Owners of local mom & pop stores are more likely to be Trump supporters. We could go on. The common theme is acting selfishly instead of for the common good. The bishops have a golden opportunity for re-evangelization! They have a great opportunity to show how a world acting according to Christian principles works better, especially in times of crisis. Love your neighbor and even love your enemy, etc works much better than putting self interests ahead of the common good. I hope they don't continue to keep their heads in the sand. Btw, if you were a selfish Big Pharma company, would you hire a bunch of 24 year olds to post pro-Pharma spin in social media sites? ; ) Clearly what is being proposed is a conspiracy theory of enormous proportion. The proposal of other ‘evil-doers with similar or complementary goals’ is an effort to apply terminology other than conspiracy. The inter cooperation and support is self-evident. The assertions about the Moderna vaccine alone constitutes a massive inter-departmental government conspiracy in conjunction with private companies and enjoying the participation of health justifications at every level around the world. ‘The left’ destroying the ‘booming economy’ for political purposes? ‘The left’ participates in the very same economy it is being suggested they purposefully destroyed. Are all the medical boards composed of ‘leftists?’ Those holding to such conspiracy theories must continually expand the circle of those involved as they encounter those who deny said conspiracy. Now we see the addition of medical boards, the whole of the political ‘left,’ anyone who was not supportive of the previous presidential administration and online retailers.
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Post by josh987654321 on Apr 4, 2021 13:10:29 GMT
Exactly, everyone knows they found WMD's in Iraq, Trump colluded with Russia and ISIS was a spontaneous armed band of rebels that miraculously died off after the election of Trump in 2016 and failed provocation. But don't worry, you can go back to sleep, everything is fine, there is no such thing as 'conspiracies'. Not sure who Obama's administration will use now to overthrow Assad now that ISIS has been decimated, but who knows what plans for 'world peace' they are currently devising and implementing.... for the 'greater good' of course. Besides, I'm sure they all just talk about sports and other benign subjects in private anyway, and Biden looks pretty mentally fit, I'm sure nobody can get anything past him lol.
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Post by ratioetfides on Apr 5, 2021 2:05:00 GMT
Exactly, everyone knows they found WMD's in Iraq, Trump colluded with Russia and ISIS was a spontaneous armed band of rebels that miraculously died off after the election of Trump in 2016 and failed provocation. But don't worry, you can go back to sleep, everything is fine, there is no such thing as 'conspiracies'. Not sure who Obama's administration will use now to overthrow Assad now that ISIS has been decimated, but who knows what plans for 'world peace' they are currently devising and implementing.... for the 'greater good' of course. Besides, I'm sure they all just talk about sports and other benign subjects in private anyway, and Biden looks pretty mentally fit, I'm sure nobody can get anything past him lol. The ‘conspiracies’ here did not involve health officials at every level of jurisdiction across the country or globe. Nor did they involve health care professionals of nearly very stripe, professional medical scientists, state governments, local governments, or various charitable billionaires. Poor judgment and bad international policy a conspiracy does not make. The herrings are bright red in this case. The administration of the 44th president of the US is no longer in power. The present connection seems rather elusive. There is much agreement in this final area. The 46th president seems to be quite mentally fit for the job and its responsibilities.
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Post by josh987654321 on Apr 5, 2021 8:12:54 GMT
The ‘conspiracies’ here did not involve health officials at every level of jurisdiction across the country or globe. How did they convince all the NATO allies including Australia that there were WMD's in Iraq and who was held accountable for that lie? Nor did they involve health care professionals of nearly very stripe, professional medical scientists, state governments, local governments, or various charitable billionaires. LOL they don't know what's in it, the Emergency Approval in every Country this thing has been rushed out in all say "Based on data supplied by Pfizer" or Moderna or AstraZeneca etc The administration of the 44th president of the US is no longer in power. The present connection seems rather elusive. LOL, and yet I knew it would be Biden from the get go and said as much even at Fisheaters forum when I was there at the time. There is much agreement in this final area. The 46th president seems to be quite mentally fit for the job and its responsibilities. LOL if you really think that then it explains a lot, I don't think there is much point in continuing.
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Post by stjosephprayforus on Apr 6, 2021 5:32:36 GMT
Wow, this is already 7 pages in. Too much for me to read for something I really don't care all that much about. I wasn't even going to comment initially, but felt like I'd weigh in (since this forum is still pretty small, all things considered).
I think there's no point in debating vaccines. If you want it, get it. If you don't, don't. I have no problem with people doing either until we are "required" for the "common good" to get it against our wishes. Or with Biden's passport thing, once that catches on, I can see many other companies jumping on board. Then we'll all need to get the vaccine in order to do simple things like go to the store, travel on a bus from one city to another, etc. "If" it gets that bad, I'll start listening to the critics who claim the vaccine is the mark of the beast. As it stands right now, I don't think that's the case....at all. But I "still" don't trust the vaccines one bit, and will refuse as long as I can.
Two of my nephews got the vaccine. One got it today and one is getting it tomorrow morning. They are 6 and 3, respectively, with no underlying health conditions. I strongly disagree with it, but they're not my kids so what am I gonna do. My wife is pregnant right now and her doctor is suggesting she get it, just in case. She claims they are safe, but with a defenseless growing baby in her womb, I'm not comfortable with the idea of pumping her full of chemicals. She doesn't want to get it, regardless of my opinion. I just don't see all the craze over vaccines for a virus that is insanely survivable.
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Post by josh987654321 on Apr 6, 2021 9:43:43 GMT
"If" it gets that bad, I'll start listening to the critics who claim the vaccine is the mark of the beast. When/if it gets to that stage... it will be too late. Take a look at Israel. spectator.com.au/2021/02/israels-vaccine-passports-could-be-a-model-for-the-world/(Article was the first one to pop up, there are plenty of others you can find). They are 6 and 3, respectively, with no underlying health conditions. Not at risk with COVID, and no long term data with barely any short term data, yup... crazy. My wife is pregnant right now and her doctor is suggesting she get it, just in case. I'm assuming your from the USA which as far as I know is primarily Pfizer and Moderna mRNA Vaccines, which do have a risk of miscarriage and pregnant women have been advised not to take them. AstraZeneca in Australia just carry a risk of life threatening blood clots and this is all just very early side effects which the long term has the potential to be very severe. And anyone who even suggests mixing the different Vaccines between the two doses, is showcasing their utter insanity and total ignorance, so run a mile from them. God Bless
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Post by ratioetfides on Apr 7, 2021 5:31:24 GMT
The ‘conspiracies’ here did not involve health officials at every level of jurisdiction across the country or globe. How did they convince all the NATO allies including Australia that there were WMD's in Iraq and who was held accountable for that lie? Nor did they involve health care professionals of nearly very stripe, professional medical scientists, state governments, local governments, or various charitable billionaires. LOL they don't know what's in it, the Emergency Approval in every Country this thing has been rushed out in all say "Based on data supplied by Pfizer" or Moderna or AstraZeneca etc The administration of the 44th president of the US is no longer in power. The present connection seems rather elusive. LOL, and yet I knew it would be Biden from the get go and said as much even at Fisheaters forum when I was there at the time. There is much agreement in this final area. The 46th president seems to be quite mentally fit for the job and its responsibilities. LOL if you really think that then it explains a lot, I don't think there is much point in continuing. If would seem the administration of the 43th US President was able to cajole a handful of NATO members into participation in the invasion with the vast majority of members sitting largely on the sideline. As to how these handful were cajoled; perhaps there are other forums where such speculation is well received. Such speculation seems to be extraneous and largely unrelated to the seeming purposes here. Some readers may wish to know where they should get such information if not information provided by vaccine manufactures with governmental approval. All involved parties are aware do the contents of said vaccines. It does not take a savant, nor a prophet, to pick and be correct in a contest composed of two major candidates. It seems to be odd agreement would lead any person to leave any discussion. Nonetheless, the conversation will likely, and had already proved to continue, despite the withdrawal of any particular poster.
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