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Post by pianistclare on Feb 17, 2021 20:23:23 GMT
I will. As soon as I can.
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Post by katy777 on Feb 17, 2021 23:06:52 GMT
I have been pretty isolated, and when I get a flu shot, I get the flu--a different strain.
Anyway, thank you to those in the front lines. I was put on furlough for almost a year now.
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Post by toddy on Feb 18, 2021 0:34:23 GMT
My friend's aunt. recovered 50% yesterday. Hope. I still have minor dry cough and headache after 6 days.
Old people should think twice about second shot, honestly say.
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Post by josh987654321 on Feb 18, 2021 1:13:52 GMT
josh987654321 , in your first reply, you answered well. You really put it all out there and nailed it. Thank you. Thank you. Now you are arguing with other posters about their choices, and giving medical advice: "Don't get the second dose." This is quite inappropriate. Of everything this is a really odd criticism IMO, a quick search will tell you that any side effects are worse with the 2nd dose, so if they are struggling with the first dose it's just common sense not to get the 2nd one. but seriously, you know next to nothing about the science, biology, medicine, the development of these vaccines, their testing, and the remaining risks. I've just been describing what I have learned about the science, biology, medicine and development of these Vaccines, all very troubling stuff, the irony is that while I certainly don't know everything, I know more then what many others are making their flawed decisions on. If I know next to nothing, then I've listed many verifiable terms (Synthetic mRNA, ADE, Hek293, SARS-Cov1 Vaccine attempts) which can be refuted, none have been refuted though. Please show a little restraint and let people respond to the original question. Lou just above you says that they will be getting it because they don't want to get covid nor spread it to vulnerable people... Should I say nothing when I know this is a falsehood? A quick search will reveal dozens of articles left and right all saying this is wrong, for it only reduces the severity of symptoms if you get it and one can still spread it... then it adds more data is needed... so your a total guinea pig and there are no long term results when we know these can be very serious and even in the short term people have died from these rushed, experimental jabs that work nothing like previous Vaccines and are in the realm of genetic engineering. But I will give it a break for a while, I've said enough I think and for most people they don't believe something can happen until it does, just like events such as 9/11 or Chernobyl etc, there are always plenty of warning signs leading up to them that people fail to heed. God Bless
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Post by pianistclare on Feb 18, 2021 17:54:18 GMT
From a Conservative Bishop in a neighboring Diocese:
Recent statements from the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops and the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith of the Holy See have abundantly demonstrated, following traditional moral principles, that the COVID-19 vaccines currently on the market or nearing release may be licitly taken. To be clear, the two that are most morally acceptable are the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines. The third one, made by AstraZeneca, has far greater moral problems and should be avoided as much as possible. Notwithstanding these clarifications, there has arisen a great deal of controversy surrounding these vaccines; such discussions are not just among Catholics, but across large swaths of society. One major point of contention involves the question of cell lines derived from aborted fetuses used in the production of these and many other vaccines. In the case of the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines, no such cell lines were relied upon in their development and production, but they were used for a confirmatory test. For Catholics, who understand well the gravity of abortion, this fact is very offensive and cannot be lightly set aside. However, a cursory glance at modern daily life in the western world will reveal that we tolerate the evil of abortion in many other areas of life, often without even thinking about it. Many of the companies whose products we use nowadays directly support this moral evil in various ways – especially by donating to Planned Parenthood, which is the largest provider of abortion in the United States. It is, in fact, virtually impossible to exist in the modern world without having to tolerate some remote cooperation or affiliation with evil. A popular priest-commentator, Fr. Matthew Schneider, recently published an article that thoroughly illustrates this quandary. See MyCatholicDoctor.com The Catholic Answer to Vaccines. Yes, traditional moral analysis shows us that we may indeed take the Pfizer or Moderna vaccines (and even, in the absence of better alternatives, the AstraZeneca vaccine), if we so choose. We rightly find abortion offensive; we might be upset that these giant companies with vast resources do not find more ethical ways to do their work; we might even lament that our Church leaders have not fought this evil more vigorously in the past. But none of these or similar feelings and frustrations can change the fact that a rigorous and traditional evaluation shows that these vaccines may licitly be sought out. Indeed, it is often convenient to point fingers and express disdain about others, even as seemingly few people heed the fact that in every traditional presentation of this Church teaching – and it is not a new teaching at all – there is a condition placed on those who choose to avail themselves of one of these less-than-morally-perfect vaccines: namely, the Church instructs us to protest them. The last major statement from the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith (CDF) on life issues, Donum vitae, sets forth that condition as follows: “for example, danger to the health of children could permit parents to use a vaccine which was developed using cell lines of illicit origin, while keeping in mind that everyone has the duty to make known their disagreement and to ask that their healthcare system make other types of vaccines available” (no. 35, emphasis added). In other words, we have an obligation to protest any and all morally-compromised vaccines if we choose to take them. Please see below for some sample protest letters (in Word/.doc format). The more recent CDF statement also explains that vaccination is not, in principle, a moral obligation. It is a prudential decision – one that must necessarily look beyond one’s personal good to the common good, as well. It remains up to each individual (and to parents, on behalf of their minor children) to determine whether taking a COVID-19 vaccine is the best decision for them and their community. Let us make every effort to avoid vilifying those who, for any number of reasons, may reach a different prudential decision than we concerning the COVID-19 vaccine. A prudential decision is not a gut feeling or a hunch; it is an informed, reasonable conclusion reached through a process of evaluation and analysis of the available data and one’s personal situation. In making a prudential decision, we must also strive to set aside party affiliations, peer pressure/human respect, and other factors that could substitute for the work of informing ourselves and considering before God what is best for us and our families in a particular situation. Therefore, in addition to the articles or resources linked above, all are encouraged to seek additional information from legitimate authorities, to include the disclosure statements of the pharmaceutical companies and the opinions of medical experts. Above all, we are Catholic and we have a spiritual outlook. From the beginning of this pandemic we have prayed in various ways that the Lord may deliver us from it. That must still be our prayer. What role vaccines might have in our eventual deliverance is still not entirely clear to us. In any case, we should not expect supernatural graces from God if we do not also take advantage of the natural means we have at our disposal. In other words, it is not enough just to pray; we must also consider the available remedies and make responsible decisions about them. But let’s not forget to pray!
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Post by josh987654321 on Feb 19, 2021 3:59:26 GMT
Let us make every effort to avoid vilifying those who, for any number of reasons, may reach a different prudential decision than we concerning the COVID-19 vaccine. How ironic in light of this news here - catholiccommonsense.freeforums.net/thread/367/vatican-says-get-vaccine-fired?page=1&scrollTo=6037These statements IMO are like saying "I love this restaurant, I eat here every night, I will not stop eating here no matter what you do, but I object to the way you prepare your food and demand it change!" well, like the restaurant owner is going to care at all, what a joke lol. God Bless You
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Post by glennonp on Mar 3, 2021 1:14:13 GMT
Received the second Moderna vaccine last week, praise God.
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Post by toddy on Mar 3, 2021 4:15:42 GMT
Many reports received around the globe, but more information need to investigate whether deaths were from second vaccine or from the covid while 2nd vaccine did not have effect yet. A small portion of the elders are miserable from 2nd vaccine so far.
The death of a healthcare worker in Santa Ana, CA yesterday was very sad and seemed exploding to a big case.
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Post by AgnusDei on Mar 5, 2021 1:25:35 GMT
No
Dominus vobiscum
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Post by ratioetfides on Mar 6, 2021 20:21:48 GMT
Many reports received around the globe, but more information need to investigate whether deaths were from second vaccine or from the covid while 2nd vaccine did not have effect yet. A small portion of the elders are miserable from 2nd vaccine so far.
The death of a healthcare worker in Santa Ana, CA yesterday was very sad and seemed exploding to a big case.
Post intervention surveillance is standard procedure in medicine. This surveillance informs the efficaciousness and safety of the medical intervention in the population at large in addition to trial evaluations. The linked article severely misrepresents the actual occurrences in more than one of the listed cases: the titled Spanish nursing home and the Montreal nursing home just to provide a sampling. The article makes no mention the Spanish nursing home reports an outbreak prior to the administration of the vaccine, the limited efficacy of a single dose of the vaccine, or the time required to achieve the reported levels of immunity for either of the two doses. The case of the Spanish nursing home is a demonstration of the potential lethality of the virus, the reported causes of death. The article goes on to claim 2nd dose administration was halted in the Montreal nursing home due to residents testing positive for the virus after receiving a first dose. The provincial government limited second dose administration to increase the amount of persons able to receive a first dose. Some residents of the nursing home sued for access to second doses. Appeals to this media outlet are common across the internet. LifeSiteNews claims to root its mission in the search for truth. However, it has taken a journalistic stand to support and disseminate mis-information, pure conjecture as fact, half-truths, lies, and conspiracy theories. They have published reports lacking even basic journalistic integrity and presented widely discredited persons as ‘experts’ in many different fields, particularly scientific fields. LifeSiteNews has taken the shotgun approach to covering the topic. flooding the public with large amounts of rather specific misinformation and theories. It is a well known and used tactic as it takes make far more effort to debunk the bulk of the information as opposed to propagating the same information. It seems an intentional use of Brandolini’s Law. The media has a right to their free speech they may publish as they wish as long as they do not infringe upon the rights of others. Anyone has the right to read their material. There is nothing orthodox in their approach to covering this subject. Rather their journalist stance leads to the possibility of scandal. Many have written on the subject of this potential for scandal and why it is important for the faithful to identify these tactics and not contribute to the spread of misinformation. There exists reasons and accurate information to lead one to make a decision not to accept these vaccines; thus is their right. I would agree with a prior poster here in the danger of trying to persuade others on the internet to follow one’s own determination not to take the vaccine with little knowledge of the totality of the situation. This may be particularly true in the case of using this type of material to support one’s argument. As a side note, of course one can read this type of material freely and perhaps even glean useful information. My main point is this particular media outlet has demonstrated a severe lack of journalistic integrity on the subject. I believe it worthwhile to consider if this creates the potential of scandal.
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Post by josh987654321 on Mar 7, 2021 2:54:52 GMT
Did you write all of this yourself, or was this a large part copy paste from a hit piece read elsewhere? I've seen enough to stay away from this radically new, rushed experimental jab that is rife with possible dangerous side effects that can kill you. Ironic, if someone dies 'with' covid, it's a covid death, if some dies after receiving the Vaccine, it couldn't possibly be attributed to the Vaccine in any way at all! lol. Correlation is not causation, however, with it all 'in house' with no liability or accountability whatsoever, all we have is correlation, how does one even prove it? and then if they did prove it was the Vaccine they have immunity from liability LOL, I wouldn't even buy a car off these clowns, let alone inject a substance into my body under 'operation warp speed' and 'emergency approval' LOL, and the diabolically wicked abortion practices involved in production too, again showcasing their immorality and thus not to be trusted (as if all the rest was not reason enough anyway). But if you want the Vaccine, go for it. With people refusing it there should be more stock available for you, I'll check back with you in a couple years to see if you were right or not. It's just wicked when they become tyrants about it and try to coerce/force people who don't want it into getting it.
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Post by ratioetfides on Mar 7, 2021 4:13:13 GMT
Did you write all of this yourself, or was this a large part copy paste from a hit piece read elsewhere? I've seen enough to stay away from this radically new, rushed experimental jab that is rife with possible dangerous side effects that can kill you. Ironic, if someone dies 'with' covid, it's a covid death, if some dies after receiving the Vaccine, it couldn't possibly be attributed to the Vaccine in any way at all! lol. Correlation is not causation, however, with it all 'in house' with no liability or accountability whatsoever, all we have is correlation, how does one even prove it? and then if they did prove it was the Vaccine they have immunity from liability LOL, I wouldn't even buy a car off these clowns, let alone inject a substance into my body under 'operation warp speed' and 'emergency approval' LOL, and the diabolically wicked abortion practices involved in production too, again showcasing their immorality and thus not to be trusted (as if all the rest was not reason enough anyway). But if you want the Vaccine, go for it. With people refusing it there should be more stock available for you, I'll check back with you in a couple years to see if you were right or not. It's just wicked when they become tyrants about it and try to coerce/force people who don't want it into getting it. I composed the entire post, no copy and paste, and don’t regard it as a hit piece. It is intended as commentary largely related to how one particular media outlet has reported on a single, albeit wide-sweeping, issue. I make no endorsement of other media outlets. Each should be examined critically. The context of this outlet’s distribution and its seeming editorial stance are of interest to me. I purposefully endorsed one’s own right to make a prudential judgment on the matter. I viewed the entire linked article as an argument against everything being ‘in house.’ There are now three companies manufacturing vaccines for distribution and all three are being injected into humans. There are numerous national health services, numerous medical institutions, and countless healthcare professionals with first hand knowledge of the situation ‘on the ground.’ Adverse reactions are being recorded and analyzed. I don’t believe I have made a pronouncement concerning my acceptance of any of these vaccines or lack there of. My intent has been to comment on information posted in the public forum, especially information purported to be ‘expert analysis.’
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Post by katy777 on Mar 7, 2021 12:48:12 GMT
Our news stations say it takes a vax 10 years to hit the market.
There are now different strains of Covid.
Immediate after effects are known. I keep thinking of the thamaldicide babies in the 50s, created for morning sickness.
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Post by pianistclare on Mar 9, 2021 19:03:39 GMT
Got the Moderna vaccine yesterday. Sore arm, very sleepy, but no ill effects. Thank you Jesus!
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Post by josh987654321 on Mar 9, 2021 21:51:44 GMT
Got the Moderna vaccine yesterday. Sore arm, very sleepy, but no ill effects. Thank you Jesus! First or Second dose? For me, immediate after effects would be of concern, which thankfully you don't have so far, but the long term effects are what would most concern me, which nobody knows yet and have the potential to be very serious with the occurrence of ADE IMO. There is also the possibility of 'transfection' with these mRNA Vaccines which I need to do more research on and would also greatly concern me, where it could alter your DNA. God Bless
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