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Post by upupandaway on Mar 31, 2017 12:41:23 GMT
The more I pray the LOTH, the more I realize how little I know about it. To avoid lugging my breviary around with me in Paris yesterday (I already had more than enough to carry ), I prayed Midday and Evening Prayer from iBreviary. It had been a few years, so I had forgotten about the Psalm Prayers. Neither my French nor my UK English breviaries have these, so I assume the prayers are optional. Is that correct? Do any of you include these Psalm Prayers in your daily recitations?
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Post by pianistclare on Mar 31, 2017 16:42:47 GMT
I just started it, and I thought they HAD to be used Clearly I have no clue how to do this. ibreviary has everything, I'm praying everything, And its taking a LONNNNNNNNG time
But I like it so far. I'm sure I'm doing it wrong.
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Post by upupandaway on Mar 31, 2017 17:22:49 GMT
Clare, I strongly recommend to all LOTH beginners that they find a real live person who is experienced with the LOTH to show them how to pray it. I found even just a single run-through of each office (hour) to be immensely helpful in clearing up my confusion. The breviary was a mystery to me until I handed it to my pastor and asked with exasperation, "Father, could you please show me how to use this thing?" Apps are convenient and all, but they don't necessarily present the offices in a way that's easily understood by those starting out. It's great prayer, though, isn't it? I'm glad you like it.
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Post by pianistclare on Mar 31, 2017 17:56:52 GMT
I DO like it. I prefer not to ask my pastor though, but maybe one of the Deacons can show me. And dear Sirach offered to help. :-)
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Post by upupandaway on Mar 31, 2017 18:10:53 GMT
I asked my pastor because it seemed the logical course of action for me. If you don't want to ask yours, I'm sure another priest, a bound religious, a deacon, a layperson who has prayed the LOTH for some time and/or Sirach would be happy to assist you Also, you mentioned you are praying all the hours. That is, of course, wonderful but if it's taking up too much time please don't feel obligated! My SD actually advised me against praying the office of Readings (i.e. the longest one) as he knows my schedule is already rather demanding. Most non-bound laypersons I know "only" pray Morning, Evening and Night Prayer. I began with Night Prayer and gradually added other offices over time. YMMV!
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Post by oralabora on Apr 1, 2017 0:45:40 GMT
The more I pray the LOTH, the more I realize how little I know about it. To avoid lugging my breviary around with me in Paris yesterday (I already had more than enough to carry ), I prayed Midday and Evening Prayer from iBreviary. It had been a few years, so I had forgotten about the Psalm Prayers. Neither my French nor my UK English breviaries have these, so I assume the prayers are optional. Is that correct? Do any of you include these Psalm Prayers in your daily recitations? The psalm prayers are completely optional. Not every breviary has them! As you know the French LOTH doesn't have them. However the French MLOTH (M = Monastic) using Schema B has them. My abbey uses this schema (as do I from time to time when I'm feeling energetic..., and happen to be using it at the moment), and they never say the psalm prayers. Nor is there enough time between psalms at the abbey to pray them silently. I myself don't use them. When I do the Roman LOTH (the one you do), I chant aloud the psalm in Latin, then I read it silently in French. When I do the monastic, I do that for Lauds and Vespers but the rest I do in French, as does our abbey. Reason: the abbey has only produced books for Lauds and Vespers in Latin. MLOTH (or rather LMH, "Liturgie Monastique des Heures), the breviary itself (in 2 volumes) is in French only except for the Gospel canticles and (non-noted) antiphons. A bunch of monasteries got together many years ago and produced books for Lauds and Vespers in Latin and French. I used those for L&V. When I do the monastic, I revert to the Roman for feasts and solemnities to keep from having to juggle something like 4 books, I have a Roman antiphonary that has it all under one set of covers. But I digress. Bottom line, you can safely omit the psalm prayers (and no, contrary to the rumour, it was not a post-Vatican II conspiracy of the ICEL to include them; they come from a Spanish Benedictine monk). As for help: ask, and ye shall receive. However I can't give page references because my breviaries are French and/or Latin only. I do have Christian Prayer buried somewhere in my library but I'm not particularly familiar with it (well you I can as you use the French LOTH; or are you using the one volume "Prière du temps présent"? I have it as well but I find the 4-volume better laid out even though I take my readings from the monastic lectionary).
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Post by Professor Q on Apr 5, 2017 5:50:55 GMT
While we're on this topic, does anyone have any experience or feedback on using the Universalis application (for mobile devices) for the Liturgy of the Hours? =)
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Post by oralabora on Apr 6, 2017 16:25:26 GMT
There are better apps out there. For one, Universalis does not use approved translations, so technically it is not "liturgy". However liturgy is one area where I allow myself to be a detail-oriented, obsessive-compulsive control freak
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Post by upupandaway on Apr 6, 2017 19:36:13 GMT
As for help: ask, and ye shall receive. However I can't give page references because my breviaries are French and/or Latin only. I do have Christian Prayer buried somewhere in my library but I'm not particularly familiar with it (well you I can as you use the French LOTH; or are you using the one volume "Prière du temps présent"?). Actually I'm now using the Collins Divine Office 3-volume (UK/Ireland et. al.; still missing Volume 3 so not sure what I will do after the Easter season ends), but when I was praying the LOTH in French I used the Desclée de Brouwer/Le Cerf 4-volume. I still own the latter in case I get an opportunity to pray in community locally, which is unfortunately rare. ...well, there is Vespers in Latin every Sunday with the ICRSS, but this breviary set would hardly be useful for that Thanks for your help with the psalm prayers. If I think of anything else, I'll letcha know
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Post by upupandaway on Apr 7, 2017 9:02:46 GMT
While we're on this topic, does anyone have any experience or feedback on using the Universalis application (for mobile devices) for the Liturgy of the Hours? =) I have never used Universalis to pray the LOTH because as Ora said the texts are drawn from unapproved translations. Since I pray the LOTH from a physical breviary 99.999999999% of the time (liturgy), it doesn't make sense to use an app with unapproved texts the remaining 0.000000001% of the time (not liturgy). On the other hand, if you're not canonically bound to the LOTH and you pray as a private devotion and only from the Universalis app, I see no objective harm in this. The usual "I could be wrong about this" disclaimer applies
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Post by Professor Q on Apr 7, 2017 10:59:45 GMT
There are better apps out there. For one, Universalis does not use approved translations, so technically it is not "liturgy". However liturgy is one area where I allow myself to be a detail-oriented, obsessive-compulsive control freak Ah, that's what sounded off to me? They must be using the 1986 NAB, which has some pretty atrocious Psalms. I just switched over to iBreviary, which seems to be a better translation.
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Post by oralabora on Apr 7, 2017 13:44:44 GMT
iBreviary is what I'd recommend for someone praying in Latin or English. It's pretty good though I've found the odd mistake, like the solemnity of St. John the Baptist being downgraded to a feast (June 24, at least the last time I used it, perhaps it's corrected now). For French, I recommend www.aelf.org. It's the official website of the "Association Épiscopale Liturgique pour les pays Francophones", i.e. the French equivalent of the ICEL. It's what I use when away if I forgot my breviary, or when on an extended cycling jaunt and I want to pray mid-day prayer during a rest break. Obviously if I have the weight of my bike pared down to 16 lbs, the last thing I want to carry is a breviary! An extra bottle of water is much more useful if I'm going to add weight!
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Post by upupandaway on Apr 7, 2017 13:55:04 GMT
There is an unofficial AELF app for Android that works pretty well IIRC. I think it's called "AELF—Lectures du jour"...and it includes the LOTH, though the app name doesn't specifically refer to it.
One can use iBreviary for the French LOTH as well. I have had less luck turning to it for the Order of the Mass. For some reason all of that downloads in English.
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Post by oralabora on Apr 7, 2017 22:15:06 GMT
Speaking of the LOTH, this is where it all happens for me, a small oratory built into my study. I've updated it since I last posted pics of it on TOF. I've gone "modernist". I had to put in a "modernist" chair with arms, for this creaky nearly 59 y.o. body, especially for Vigils/Office of Readings which I pray at 5:30 or 6 am depending on the day. I also put in LED lighting. The music stand you see supports a Bible under an LED light. It's a new concept of lectio divina that I am trying. Every day I open the Bible to the day's gospel reading at Mass. At the end of each canonical hour, I read the gospel. So I read it several times a day and can try to digest what I read afterwards. The prie-dieu has a cushion. Following monastic tradition, during Lent, I pray the intercessions, Pater Noster, and collect kneeling. The rest of the year I pray them standing. Again, 59 y.o. knees... for the day hours I use Les Heures Grégoriennes, diurnal antiphonary noted for Gregorian chant. It's a very heavy book (3 volumes: Advent, Christmas and OT; Lent and Eastertide; Sanctoral), so I prop it up on the prie-dieu.
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Post by pianistclare on Apr 8, 2017 12:58:26 GMT
Your home looks so beautifully built. Is it rather new?
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