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Post by oralabora on Feb 17, 2017 20:48:18 GMT
Who here loves the Liturgy of the Hours? I do, and I've been praying it in both the Roman version and one of the Benedictine versions (the one used by the abbey I'm associated with) for many years. It's now become an ingrained habit. So if anyone is just starting out feel free to ask me anything. However one caveat: I use both the French and Latin versions, so I won't be able to give you an exact page number in the English versions! My favourite saint in the Liturgy of the Hours is Saint Feria. She's very popular, we celebrate her at least 100 times a year! Her name translates to English as "Saint Ordinary Weekday" I learned about her from a monk, the prior and sacristan of the abbey. The monks love the simplicity of ordinary days! Simple antiphons that they can sing by heart, the familiar rhythm of the daily psalter. I must say I have a great devotion to her as well. More seriously, I do use the Benedictine calendar which differs somewhat from the General Roman Calendar.
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Post by tawny on Feb 17, 2017 21:44:01 GMT
As a Third Order Franciscan, I pray the Roman version of the Liturgy of the Hours everyday. My favorite has always been the Psalms.
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Post by oralabora on Feb 17, 2017 23:02:22 GMT
Do you pray all the hours or just some? Our oblate statutes say we pray "as our condition in life" allows. Our past oblate director produced an abridged version of the abbey's monastic schema: Lauds, Vespers and Compline, with simplified feasts and memorials. Our new director recommends the Roman version, which is what I use most of the time. I did a critical analysis of the Roman version for our oblate retreat two years ago that was very well received. Basically, my thesis was that the Roman Office is firmly grounded in tradition both by its structure, and its placement of the psalms.
Moreover I really like the flexibility of the Roman Office. I can add or subtract optional elements according to the time I have available. I also like using psalms 4, 90 and 133 at Compline every night. It's great when I am on the road as I have a recording of monastic Compline from Solesmes, which uses those psalms every night, so I can listen to Compline coming home in the car!
The psalms are great. It took me some time to get used to them but I find psalm verses bubbling to the top of my mind all the time. The LOTH is lectio divina and prayer at the same time!
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Post by porthos on Feb 17, 2017 23:19:26 GMT
Hello! It is I, Porthos (porthos11 on CAF). Hope I was not one of those from whom the fine folks here sought refuge, hee hee.
LOTH addict, and, no I have no plans of giving it up. Morning Prayer, Evening Prayer, Night Prayer. Daytime Prayer where possible. Modern Liturgy of the Hours, Roman Calender and as approved/adapted for Canada.
Hopefully we will have cleaner, smarter, more cordial discussions than in the other place.
(is talking about the other place against da rulz?)
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Post by pianistclare on Feb 17, 2017 23:24:17 GMT
Not really, as we are civilized, but we are trying to figure an acronym for it, as OP is taken and we've been referring to it as the "other place". Got any clever suggestions?
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Post by sirach on Feb 17, 2017 23:36:10 GMT
I pray Morning and Evening Prayer, and sometimes when I remember or have time, one of the daytime hours. It is really nice when we hear the responsorial psalms in our Mass to recognize them almost by heart, although the lector may not have that same familiarity.
Oralabora, our priest wore a green vestment today, whereas the LOTH said it is the feast of the Seven Holy Founders of the Servite Order. My Church calendar showed that either green or white could be used, so I assume it is the celebrant's option.
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Post by pianistclare on Feb 17, 2017 23:38:11 GMT
I've got to start LOTH. I just have to. I'm inspired by you folks.
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Post by sirach on Feb 17, 2017 23:42:36 GMT
Clare, that is a great idea perhaps to begin in Lent. However, you will need patience while you learn to navigate the hours, especially during Lent and Advent. It drove me crazy at first with all the flipping back and forth, but take courage, it is worth it!
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Post by pianistclare on Feb 17, 2017 23:46:20 GMT
Maybe I can email you and you can help me daily...... ?
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Post by oralabora on Feb 17, 2017 23:49:00 GMT
I pray Morning and Evening Prayer, and sometimes when I remember or have time, one of the daytime hours. It is really nice when we hear the responsorial psalms in our Mass to recognize them almost by heart, although the lector may not have that same familiarity. Oralabora, our priest wore a green vestment today, whereas the LOTH said it is the feast of the Seven Holy Founders of the Servite Order. My Church calendar showed that either green or white could be used, so I assume it is the celebrant's option. Today's memorial was optional, so it is up to the priest to chose whether or not to celebrate it. In some places it is either not observed, or observed in a more minor way, such as only saying the collect of the memorial instead of using the hymn and gospel canticles from the Commons.
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Post by pianistclare on Feb 17, 2017 23:51:31 GMT
To hear you all talk about Mass.....it occurs to me that our Mass is very bare bones We do nothing of those things. We have an opening prayer and go right to the first reading. <Shrugs shoulders>
Mass at the Abbey must be beautiful
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Post by oralabora on Feb 17, 2017 23:54:17 GMT
To hear you all talk about Mass.....it occurs to me that our Mass is very bare bones We do nothing of those things. We have an opening prayer and go right to the first reading. <Shrugs shoulders> Mass at the Abbey must be beautiful It is. It is more simple on weekdays that aren't feasts: introit, penitential rite/kyrie, opening prayer, reading, gradual or alleluia, Gospel reading etc. Still in Gregorian chant and sung Mass, but the preface and EP on a simpler tone. Sunday Mass is about an hour and 10 minutes (longer on big solemnities like Pentecost), weekday is about 35 minutes.
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Post by oralabora on Feb 17, 2017 23:57:43 GMT
Hello! It is I, Porthos (porthos11 on CAF). Hope I was not one of those from whom the fine folks here sought refuge, hee hee. LOTH addict, and, no I have no plans of giving it up. Morning Prayer, Evening Prayer, Night Prayer. Daytime Prayer where possible. Modern Liturgy of the Hours, Roman Calender and as approved/adapted for Canada. Hopefully we will have cleaner, smarter, more cordial discussions than in the other place. (is talking about the other place against da rulz?) I use the modern Roman Office most of the time; when I'm feeling a bit more frisky, I use monastic Schema B, which is all 150 psalms in a week and takes about the same time as the pre-V II Roman Breviary. It's the schema used by our abbey. I don't like it as much as I find some of the psalms are placed at weird times, like Psalm 50 on Saturday when Friday is the penitential day par excellence, and psalm 109 (110) at Vigils instead of Vespers! As I chant in a schola I also use Les Heures Grégoriennes, a Latin-French diurnal antiphonary fully noted for chant, to chant the daytime hours in Latin. Keeps the Latin reading skills sharp, and the voice in tune. My avatar is actually my small oratory where I pray the Hours.
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Post by pianistclare on Feb 17, 2017 23:57:44 GMT
Ahhhh. We're at 25 min and 45 mins. But we have an extra 10 minutes for announcements, birthdays, milestones, blah blah. Which is part of the reason why I jumped at the chance to be the accompanist fro the Spanish Mass. The Hispanics don't do ANY of that stuff. :-)
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Post by sirach on Feb 17, 2017 23:58:22 GMT
Maybe I can email you and you can help me daily...... ? Of course - gladly! Do you have a breviary yet? If so, read the instructions in the front and see if you have questions about them.
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